www.firecoachk.com website up and running

come on guys and gals. Coach K is like a god in North Carolina & New Jersey since that is where a lot of Dukies come from. Duke will burn to the ground before the K is fired. The lacrosse team tried but you saw what happened to the DA in Durham for that. I live in central NC and you are either a UNC fan, Dukie, NC State idiot, Wake snob, or no real committment. I went to ECU and we take basketball season off (and football for a few years ) but we are back in football maybe. Been a LSU fan since birth and most of the people here do not understand SEC football and have a slight disdain for the best league in the nation. This is how the ACC fan base is in NC. UNC and Dukies hate each other. UNC & NC State also but not to the same intensity. Wake is indifferent mostly and by in large everyone was pulling for them in the ACC Championship game--Wake football champs!!! Who would have thunk that with Florida State, Miami, Va. Tech :angryfire (my newest dislike since the LSU game I went to in Blacksburg--you thought Tigers fans were rude--how about a redneck mountain boy..........), Boston College and so on. Shows you how down the ACC was in football last year. Granted Wake had a good team but LSU or any top tier SEC school would have crushed them. Anyway back to basketball. I agree with whoever said that the talent level at Duke is the reason for their suffering. McBob as we like to call him is their go to guy and that is scary. Coach K is one of the top few coaches with integrity (even though he cusses alot on the sidelines :cry: ) and since he used that Lakers offer to up his kingship at Duke he will be an old cogger before they push him out the door. Even then like UNC he will hang around like Dean Smith and influence things and have another something on campus named after him before he leaves this sweet earth. As for LSU we continue our basketball coaching woes started probably by my dear friend Dale Brown. Heck of a recruiter but............ I went to the Dale Brown basketball camp in my youth so I saw first hand. This was in the mid-80's--anybody else have a picture with Mr. Brown like I have?

Geaux Tigers!!! :crystal: :bball: ldskule:

Redford :thumb:

 

jeff, the intent of this thread is officially lost

 

Smiling is good for the soul gumborue... I did hear this am on the way in that Duke was out of the top 25 for the first time in 200 weeks. UCLA held the record at 216. The longest streak now in college basketball???? 34 weeks and they didn't mention the team.

The point most are missing is that being a national power for an extended amount of time in basketball is very difficult. CJB came into this program at its all time low.. any disagreement here? He has provided us with a glimpse of hope of competeing for a national championship just like Dale Brown did. At the end of the day, CJB will just be another basketball coach that passed though here at LSU. Dale should have left years before he left the program in shambles.

My opinion is that until LSU (TAF and Skip) make a monumental investment in our basketball program, we will have these type results. LSU fans ( i am a huge one) generally do not understand the need for facilities in basketball. It is just a sport played lately between Football and spring practice.. no offense to the baseball team. I go to Alabama games and they have figured it out. They built in their endzone a social area that Tide Pride members go before the game during halftime and after the game... the key word here is social... They have a horrible team to watch offensively but they are selling out their games since they remodeled their arena..Brady has put a good product on the court for the most part and has had better results in the past 10 years than Alabama but they sell out their arena. Brady ball is ugly at times because our primary focus is to get it inside and defend. This team seems to have lost its chemistry.. anyhow back to the social...

If I were Skip, in my long range plan I would build a new PMAC... yes a new one with ample parking to help people get home before 11am on a school night because traffic is horrible after our games... in that arena.. have an endzone overlooking the court with a social area for TAF members to go or maybe even skyboxes. Give a TAF member the ability to combine donations to both football and basketball that would give the athletic program far more money than they have today. This new arena would also have separate practice courts for Mens and womens basketball along with a showcase area to bring in recruits that includes weight facilities, locker rooms with separate coaches offices.

Ok.. i am awake now.. dream over.. won't happen in my lifetime because LSU is not committed to basketball in the same manner they are committed to football. But our fans expect us to have the same results. The last 30 years we have won about 58% of our games. Let me repeat, we have won about 58% of our games. For LSU basketball to get to that next level our Fans expect... in my opinion it is time for Skip and TAF to come to the plate and make this happen.

 

if my memory serves me correctly, cjb is at 60% here, so he's too good for lsu. right?

 

basically... i would have liked to have heard some response to a new PMAC..

 

We can't get a practice facility.

I think that answers your question about the possibility of a new PMAC.

 

No, K's problem is he couldnt judge talent. McBobs and Paulus were the number one players in the country at their position...mainly because they were going to duke.

Good Lord, duke has 6 McDonald's All-Americans on their team.

 

ok, ok, sorry, trying too hard to be funny.

sounds good to me, id be willing to put up some money for it--well, not much seeing as how im rarely in br. sure it would help put more butts in seats i guess and more $ for a next-level coach. i guess i think if its to be done, skip has to move on, pick a special up and comer (probably a crapshoot) and build a new PMAC when that new coach is here--so he stays after he starts winning.

basically, its all in the hire, then you do what you must to keep him.

 

our last up and comer took us to the final 4. He has proven that he can recruit and develop players... Most of the players that the rest of us have all just want to eat at McDonalds.

 

Wow a fired up inspired hoops thread... I'm sorry I'm late to the party.

First let me say kudos to JIB for posting his original post. Well said and raised many points I would have raised but for a six game losing streak and waning energy. Needless to say (without rehashing many of the posts here), I agree with the statement that it's difficult to sustain a college program EVEN for proven veteran coaches. As will there be EVERY year some teams, even ones with hall of fame coaches, will fail to make the Dance. Bashers will point out Brady's "down year" as if other coaches like Boeheim, Izzo, Calhoun, Pitino don't exist, ... the same coaches that we'd "die" for fail to make it. Duke could go 7-9 in their conference and still make it... or not? Certainly ESPN the other night was making it a debate question.

To say Duke has no talent is LUDICROUS. Do you know I watched the McD's all-american game a few years back and Paulus and McRoberts LIT it up!? Paulus was I believe MVP and McRoberts won the slam dunk contest. How many McD's did LSU land that year...? So, enough with Duke is lame and untalented and that explains their "down year". You could easily say it's a "down" year for K.

Certainly another point should be made about talent. Yes, talent wins. And, LSU's reasonably talented, and Brady could have done more. But, a point that is not made very often on this board is inexperience. When you look at this team, you forget that it's not an "old" team. Last year while we were young, we had D'Mitch to lead. This year we have Glen, true, but we have essentially 4 sophomores to lead otherwise (let's except Lazare, who unfortunately has not stepped it up after his injury). AND, remember that key reserves like Martin, Mason, Rolle, etc. ARE playing in their first years of significant PT in our system. Why is Florida so good? Well, they're a team of JUNIORs, who SURPRISE, all came back--the entire team, a team of rich kids who don't need the NBA money came back for more. Talented team plus experience = very good team.

Hence college basketball has become a game where teams that advance are either mid-majors or not-necessarily the most talented major teams where you've got the fortune of guys who were not necessarily NBA lottery picks stick it out for 3 or 4 years (ala George Mason last year... which by the way... this year? Won't make the dance and won't come close to winning their conference. Does that mean they have bad coaching?), or you hope you can be a high major which can land every McD American you can find. That spot seems to be reserved for UNC, Ohio State, UConn maybe a few others. But, those teams will go through cases where there will also be volatility of very taLented class just departing en masse... and you have to reload.

LSU is I think right now is somewhere in between. LSU had some pretty strong recruiting classes (I still stand by my basic overall belief that Brady is not a horrible recruiter) in the past, and now I think Brady and staff do realize there's a balance. They have rolled the dice on guys like Voogd, Farrer and Chris Johnson, while landing some guys like Bass, Davis, Swift, and Randolph. I think it's a good formula, although Brady has been bitten with some bad luck (i.e., DJ Augustin and Katrina, Tack turning out to be a bad seed). But, I think the honest truth is that this staff can be somewhere near the top tier... a B+/A- recruiting staff, a B+ Xs and Os staff, and we have a C+ fan base for basketball. That's perhaps a harsh reality check, but when Tennessee, 'Bama, and Arkansas (what I'd consider comparable "below elite" SEC teams) have poured more money into hoops in the last decade AND have consistently better fan support for that sport, it's really hard for LSU to demand a top notch coach and results, right?

Now, I may have shot myself in the foot a little with future recruits. But, this is basically what JIB is saying. I think LSU has been there, and can get back there, but it is a long road with no quick fixes, unless there is a bigger investment by the administration, which in turn looks to the fans. LSU depending on what happens the rest of the season will enter a likely "hot seat" off-season, but I certainly believe they'll be better next year with folks coming back and new talent to infuse. I think the '08 recruiting season will be key for Brady, and signing an impact guard or two in '07 and '08 will be key. '09 will be a huge reloading year, and that recruiting class will also be key. But, if you read the tea leaves, LSU is not doing so bad in the early recruiting reports (see recruiting threads), so all hope is not lost folks.

So, expect status quo from the LSU administration for the next couple of years. I believe the continuing saga of the Brady regime will be found in the recruiting results in the next two years and whether the fans will come out and build support in a solid basketball program (as opposed to the unrealistic view that LSU must be a dynasty in hoops for anyone to care).

:geauxtige :bball: :champs: LSU IS A BASKETBALL SCHOOL. KEEP THE FAITH.