Will the TPM hurt the GOP in november?

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  1. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    The lessor of 2 evils fallacy is crap. Garbage in Garbage out.
     
  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    boom boom ching!!! :lol:
     
  3. mctiger

    mctiger RIP, and thanks for the music Staff Member

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    Maybe so, but its hard for me to imagine a more politically-polarized public than we have now. If, as so many believe, grass roots Republicans are "getting their marching orders" from Limbaugh, Beck, etc, do you really imagine a mass of right-wing voters suddenly leaping left in November?
     
  4. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    I don't. But sure hope people put their votes where their mouth is.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Not at all. I'm suggesting that the majority of swing voters are independent moderates that went democratic in 2006 and 2008. The republicans should be expected to rebound in 2010, but they may not get the majorities that they think they will. The public is not as polarized as the political parties are. Moderates are a big deal and both parties want their votes. Unhappiness with democratic financial policies does not automatically translate into support for all right-wing policies for them,

    Independents unhappy with democrats are not lining up to support Tea Party candidates. Traditional republicans are a known quantity and they are still suspicious of them after the wars, mortgage/banking failures, and recession.

    But the Tea Party is all over the map. They started as a single-issue group focused on taxation. But there is no unified leadership and individual Tea Parties all over the country are drifting into far-right politics of abortion, homosexuality, creationism, ultra-nationalism, and anti-environmentalism. They continue to be dogged by racist elements that may cost Republicans huge black and hispanic minority votes that they will need.

    Many independents favoring tax cuts will not go over to candidates espousing right-wing social conservatism.
     
  6. Krypto

    Krypto Huh?

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    Can't completely say that. The Tea Party did push and back Scott Brown and he got elected in a general election.
     
  7. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    And, the Independents are not exactly in love with Obama right now... except for Red, of course.
     
  8. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    No. Although some TP candidates have defeated establishment candidates in some races, the party will back the GOP candidate because it knows the TP could be the key to taking the House. Delaware seems to be the only exception. The state party chairman put out a release that really bad mouthed O'Connell and Castle has refused to endorse her. Really stupid and a total lack of class on Castle's part. And if anyone is wondering, I was hoping Castle would win because he represented the party's best chance of taking Delaware. But that is the only evidence of any split between the TP and the party establishment. The national organization has come out supporting O'Connell and has contributed to her campaign.
     
  9. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    First, the TP is not racist. As you indicated they are loosly organized and at times this makes it difficult for them to weed out the fringe element. But they have been quick to do so when they had to. Also, it has been shown that some of those questionable signs were from liberals who infiltrated the rallys for the express purpose of embarrasing the TP. The issues they have raised have not been fringe issues. They are opposed to out-of-control spending and the taxation required to feed it.
    They are also in favor of limited government and are opposed to abortion. All of these issues are mainstream conservative issues. Homosexuality, creationism, ultra-nationalism (whatever that means) and anti-environmentalism are not issues they have focused on.

    Independent voters tend to be moderately conservative. They are fed up with Obama's big spending programs that has accomplished little or nothing. The economy is not getting better; it is getting worse and this is not lost on independents. Most will likely support the GOP in the upcomming election. I do not expect the GOP to take the senate; it will probably win 5-7 senate seats. But there is a really good chance for it to take the House. It needs 40 votes to take the house and I believe it will likely win between 35 and 45, although some pundits much smarter than I believe the GOP will take between 50 and 60 seats. I have been watching the House district races closely and it is building for a major win by Republicans on Nov 2. Seats that were leaning Democrat have become tossups and several seats that were leaning Republican are now considered likely Republican. I have not yet seen a lot of tossup seats move in either direction, but I suspect within 4 weeks we will see some of these tossup seats begin leaning Republican. The TP will be a key factor in this.
     
  10. Bengal Buddy

    Bengal Buddy Founding Member

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    You are wrong. The establishment has supported the TP candidates except for Delaware. And even in Delaware it is the state party that has refused to back O'Donnell - not the national party which has endorsed her and contributed to her campaign. The GOP establishment knows it will need the TP if it expects to win back control of the House, and the TP know that if it is to be effective it needs the party organization. The Democrats will, of course, try to create a split between the TP and the GOP but they will not succeed.
     

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