Why should I be celebrating today ?

Seriously? That's all you've got? I remember when you used to make it look like you tried.

*yawn*

 

I gave up when I realized you didnt even remember reagan was for less government.


really, that pretty much dismisses every view regarding this discussion.

no offense.

 

It wasn't about 'less government,' it was about government 'being the answer.' I know Raegan was a small-government guy, but that wasn't the point. The point was that it's unrealistic to expect any president, a person who assumes the lead position in the federal government, to not have some fundamental beleif in his own government as a system, not as a policy.

But I digress. Use that as your cop-out if you so choose. I figured it would be something irrelevant. Offense.

 

You can't even spell Reagan.

Again, credibility denied.

 

16,000+ posts and not a single point among them. Commendable, dude.

 

Very easy point Red...to say that the majority of people agree with Obama or any other president is not a legitimate comment. In fact when you count the number who voted for McCain and the number who didn't vote because they didn't care for either candidate...it's probably easier to prove that the majority of people don't agree with Obama or any other president.

I'm sure the spin doctors at CNN and MSNBC will find a way to twist it and many sheep will follow.

 

First, I'm not sure why you keep bringing up those news networks. I have no use for them, and whatever issues you have with them you should restrict to relevant conversations. Secondly, when you're talking about an election, it goes without saying that the number of people you're drawing from are practicing voters. I'm sorry I didn't make that distinction initially, but it didn't seem warranted. Further, the turnout for this election was higher than any one previous. And of that record turnout, the majority of the people evidently agreed with Obama's platform. Therefore, it's a simple assertion that most voting Americans approve of Obama's views. I know you think that most people who voted for him were simply hoodwinked, or racist, or disillusioned, or whatever...but that just ain't the reality. Aside from SF's predictable potshots, this is the most irrelevant point in the thread. Straws, man...straws...

 

I don't think most Americans hate foreign labor. In fact, many (if not most) Americans support foreign labor in one way or another.

I believe most people are upset because today's "immigrants" aren't interested in assimilating like many in the past. Many of today's "immigrants" make demands such as ESL (English as a second language) classes and don't believe they should have to learn American history because they don't want to be an American.

Congress (both Democrats and Republicans) are afraid to offend the largest growing demographic so they cave in and find additional means of allowing more people to enter.

I believe we allow more people to naturalize annually than all the remaining countries in the world combined do yet we're still considered immigrant-haters.

We use the term comprehensive immigration reform but what exactly are we striving for? Look up IRCA '86 and the SAW and RAW programs. Look up the Family Fairness Act and the involvement of the Baptist and Catholic churches.

Regardless of the national media spin (aka: BS) that America is hated by everyone, we're still the #1 destination for immigrants. The problem is we can't accept them all at one time. We also need to strive for balance of race, culture, education, etc. if we truly want to be a melting pot. Allowing too many people from one country or one region to enter at the same time causes problems.

We have such a huge number of people here from Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala...that they don't need to assimilate. They have a large enough population to maintain their own culture and never assimilate as Americans.

I think these valid concerns are often twisted by the media and referred to as immigrant bashing.

 

Then you should simply say "most voting Americans" approve of Obama's views...not "most Americans" approve of Obama's views.

In fact, until yesterday (according to your views)...most Americans approved of Bush's views.

I'm not sure about your other comment but I guess that should be expected from you. I think many people voted for Obama because they like his views even if they weren't really explained. I think others voted for him because he's a Democrat. I believe others voted for him because he's very liberal. I'm sure many voted for him because he's black. Many others probably voted because he's some or all of those.

My problem is the media is supposed to be there to report the news. Regardless of what you or anyone else tries to convince people of...they have an agenda and most are very liberal. If you don't believe they have influence, power, or persuasion...you must be living in another dimension.

Ask the average person about any candidate from any party and see what they know. Most will repsond by telling you what they heard on the news or a commercial. So if the news is slanted...do the math and tell me that everyone who votes makes an educated, well-informed decision. I don't think so. Check that...I know they don't.