Why It Is Mathematically Impossible for Trump to win the White House

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  1. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Latest NBC poll, Clinton only leads Trump by 5 points. Yep, the lead is already narrowing. Depending on the sampling size, that may be within the margin of error. Btw, Sanders leads by 13 in the same polling data.

    All those super delegates should switch over to Sanders and put him over the top at the soon to be contested convention for the Dems.

    Oh yeah, that state of Florida that Tiger in NC says is a lock for Hillary (everything is a lock for Hillary apparently), it's a virtual tie in the latest Quinnipiac poll.

    http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/florida/2016/05/8598767/florida-poll-clinton-trump-virtual-tie
     
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  2. KyleK

    KyleK Who, me? Staff Member

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    Gonna be interesting to see how this changes over time.

    @islstl , you should track the different polls and graph them for us...or do the poll people do that anyway?
     
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  3. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    I saw the latest round of Quinnipiac polls this morning. Will be interesting to see if this is an outlier or if it becomes part of a greater trend. Tell you what, I have some time today. I will create some graphs so we can start tracking the state polls. RCP offers an average of the past 5 polls for each state but nothing that runs over time, that I know of.

    To your point about Sanders, I agree. Sanders is the better candidate imo and got my vote here in NC.
     
  4. KyleK

    KyleK Who, me? Staff Member

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    Thanks. Just what I was looking for.

    It will be interesting to watch the trends.
     
  5. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Oh Quinnipiac in Pennsylvania, dead heat

    Quinnipiac in Ohio, Trump up 4 over Hillary

    If Trump takes Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania (and I'm betting on it) along with North Carolina, then Trump gets to 273, with room to spare as other states are in the balance as well
     
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    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Gathering data from several pundit projections of likely vs leans vs toss-ups:

    Trump 191
    Stronghold 143
    Lean 48 (Missouri, Arizona, Indiana, Georgia)

    Clinton 242
    Stronghold 186
    Lean 56 (Colorado, Minnesota, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Michigan)

    Toss Ups 105 (North Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa, New Hampshire, Virginia)

    If Trump wins North Carolina, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania that puts him at 273. He could also do it by winning North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan (sweeps the rust belt).
     
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    bernie wins west virginia
     
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  9. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    While I am working on converting my excel spreadsheets into a graph that is understandable here are the polling averages in the "swing" states to date. I have included every poll from the beginning of the year to come up with a "Total AVG", then I have also taken an average of polls from the past 60 days and the past 30 days. You will notice in some of them there is no data available for the past 30 days. These are taken directly from RCP polls and for more information on who conducted the polls you can reference them there. So, without further ado......

    Florida Total AVG = Clinton +3.29 Past 60 days = Clinton +7.33 Past 30 days = Clinton +7
    Ohio Total AVG = Clinton +2.5 Past 60 days = Clinton +1.67 Past 30 days = Trump +0.5
    North Carolina Total AVG = Clinton +1.71 Past 60 days = Clinton +3.67 Past 30 days = Clinton +4.5
    Virginia Total AVG = Clinton +13 Past 60 days = Clinton +9 Past 30 days = No data available
    Pennsylvania Total AVG = Clinton +6.43 Past 60 days = Clinton +6.67 Past 30 days = Clinton +8
    New Hampshire Total AVG = Clinton +7 Past 60 days =Clinton +12 Past 30 days = Clinton +12
    Wisconsin Total AVG = Clinton +10.67 Past 60 days = Clinton +11 Past 30 days = Clinton +11
    Iowa Total AVG = Clinton +4 Past 60 days = No data available Past 30 days = No data available
    Michigan Total AVG = Clinton +10.5 Past 60 days = Clinton +10.5 Past 30 days = No data available
    Nevada No data available in 2016
    Colorado No data available in 2016
    Arizona Total AVG = Clinton +3.5 Past 60 days = Clinton +3.5 Past 30 days = Clinton +7

    I will keep working on a graph that will be a little more visually pleasing. That said, here is the raw data.

    Further here is where we are as I see the race today and based upon where we are polling wise:

    Trump strongholds = 148 locked which include MS, IN, WV, KY, SC, TN, AL, AR, LA, TX, OK, KS, NE, SD, ND, WY, MT, ID AND AK.
    Trump leans = 43 leans which include GA, MO, AZ, UT (Clinton currently leads him comfortably in AZ and slightly in UT)

    Clinton strongholds = 196 locked which include WA, OR, CA, HI, DC, MD, NJ, RI, DE, CT, MA, VT, ME, NY, MN AND IL.
    Clinton leans = 80 leans which include MI, NV, WI, NH, PA, VA AND NM (Dems have won each of these states in the past four elections and current polling shows Clinton with a comfortable lead in each of these with the exception of NM which has no polling out yet.)

    True swing states = 77 electoral votes which include FL, OH, NC, CO AND IA.

    Note that Clinton only needs to win her "locked" states and her "lean" states to get to 276 electoral votes. So in essence, to beat her, Trump would have to win every swing state and then peel off either VA, PA, WI OR MI. Getting just NV, NH or NM would still leave Clinton with more than the required 270. This is precisely why I say it is almost mathematically impossible for Trump to win.
     
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    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?u...a1c26cbd233ab&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&zw
    Okay, here is the link to the tracking spreadsheet I created. Like I said before you will see every state, how many electoral votes each state holds, the total average of all polling for 2016, for the past 60 days and the past 30 days for each state. As you will see there are still a lot of states that have yet to conduct polling. I think this format will allow us to track whether polls are tightening, staying the same or if a candidate is starting to pull away. I have color coded the cells so where you see a red cell with a 5 in it, it means that Trump holds a 5 point lead in that category, and so on. Any questions let me know
     
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