Why It Is Mathematically Impossible for Trump to win the White House

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Again you're relying on data that has been proven wrong in both parties' primaries. Pundits using data you cite have been wrong about both Trump AND Bernie
    The only thing keeping HRC's head above water is the Stalinist rules of the Democtat party. Her race is a dumpster fire. She is probably a worse campaigner than Mott was and is being propped up by DWS and the old guard. The fact that Bernie is even a minor factor is testament to her failure.
    Yes Trump has his own demons and in fact would be as irrelevant as Bernie should be in a less fractured party.
    My point is this is not 2008 or 2012. There is a sizable fraction of voters who want to create havoc. Predictions based on traditional metrics has been proven worthless. To be so sure that Trump can't win is a fool's position.
    I'll let you in on a secret...if HRC is indicted I'll hope Biden or Jim Webb are selected. I could vote for them in good conscience.
     
  2. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    What Tiger in NC is missing is that Trump is to the left of Hillary on some issues, moderate on others (main reason the Republican establishment hates him so much, has little to do with his rhetoric). He'll bring in the Reagan democrats, the independents in bunches, and plenty plenty plenty of passionate Bernie supporters. They are supporting Bernie for the exact same reason people are supporting Trump. He's fighting the establishment that has fucked this country for way too long.

    As many people that sit out the election are going to be a wash between Democrats for Hillary and Republicans for Trump. Again, another factor Tiger in NC is plugging into his TI-30 but is dead wrong about.

    By early November, the Republican base will be much more passionate about stopping Hillary than Democrats will be about stopping Trump. In the immortal words of Donald J, "that I can tell you".
     
  3. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Ding ding ding
     
  4. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    Yep, and the Republicans still managed to find the one candidate who is less popular and reviled even more than her. Amazing.
     
  5. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    RCP is just a web site who posts the results of independent polls conducted all over the country. They are not the ones conducting the polls. This argument you are making is the same one that Romney supporters made during the 2012 election, "Pay no attention to the polls, Romney is secretly winning big......"

    I remember the Michigan race. Hillary led him there for many months but the polls tilted toward Bernie in the final weeks leading up to Michigan. So while it was a surprise that he won after trailing for so long, it wasn't a surprise that he won because the polls clearly showed that he had closed the distance from 15-20 points to a dead heat by primary day. As I stated before, anything can happen, especially in politics but more times than not the polls are correct

    agreed

    Bill is the wild card. He definitely has a tendency to go off script and that can be damaging but some times it can also be good. Bill isn't nearly as disciplined as he used to be.
     
  6. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    It is what it is Winston. You guys act like I dreamed up these numbers. I am applying the only scientific metric that we have for determining where the race is at any given time. Have some of the early predictions been wrong? Of course they have but that happens every election season. In 2008 HRC was all but the presumptive nominee until Obama came along. Shit happens in politics and there is certainly time for said polling to change, but as of the writing of that post....what I offered is the clearest snap shot we have of where we are today.

    I don't necessarily disagree with this. She is not a natural politician and not a very good campaigner either.

    More so that Millenials only knowledge of capitalism has been the past 8-10 years. They have college degrees but no jobs while the wealthy keep getting richer and everyone else slides farther behind. Bernie is a result of us failing to keep the "greed" reigns on capitalism so that it works for everyone.

    No it is not, you are very correct. It is 2016 and the demographics that doomed the Republican party in 2008 and 2012 have only grown more favorable to Democrats. Over 2 million hispanics have registered to vote in the past year since Trump announced. He is like a one man turnout machine for latinos and, hence, the Democrats. Further, 70% of women have an unfavorable view of Trump.....70%, and they make up 53% of the electorate. This doesn't even take into consideration how said demographic changes have altered the political landscape so that the electoral college is nearly impossible for a Republican candidate.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...eground-map-shows-disadvantages-trump-n569266

    I'll take the odds anyday

    Me too, but it's not going to happen. Trust me, I'd give my left arm for Biden right now.
     
  7. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    They do not exist anymore. Keep in mind that Reagan democrats earned their label in 1980 and 1984. This over 30 years ago and the change in demographics in the country coupled with the perverse sense of hyper-partisanship has left very, very few people "in the middle" so to speak. This is a myth perpetuated y Republicans in every cycle but Reagan Democrats are mostly dead right now.....literally.

    Another myth. I am one of those passionate Bernie supporters. I also have done some work locally on behalf of his campaign and I can tell you that this is just another Republican myth. Sure, I've heard plenty of people say that they wouldn't vote for Hillary but when it comes down to it, they acknowledge that their distaste for Trump will make them vote for HRC.

    But even if this prediction is true she will still win by a large margin. I don't think you understand just how unpopular Trump is.

    Again, you are offering opinions in the place of polls. Wishes in the place of facts. I promise you this: on election night I will be here to remind all of you how many times I "told you so."
     
  8. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    New poll out in NC today.....HRC leads Trump by 12. Romney won NC in 2012.
     
  9. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    By the time of the election, Trump will have done such a number on The Hills Have Eyes that she will have an untrustworthy rating north of 75 %. You're not becoming President with that stat.
     
  10. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    Do you think the Clinton's aren't going to be driving up Trump's negatives also? This is going to be a nasty election. Trump will no doubt go after her full throttle but what makes you believe they will not do the same to him?

    I will give you this much, Izzy: If Trump wins in November with all of the odds stacked against him he will deserve to be President. That said, I'll be looking for that beach front property in Colorado too.
     
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