First of all - I don't think Obama is a full-up socialist. I do think he's dangerously close to socialist ideology - because of his father and his associations. Now - to answer your question - this isn't even a challenge. Here's five minutes worth of scanning Obama's own website. Of course, for those closet socialists among us, you won't notice how these things are sort of - you know - anti-free market and pro-authoritarianism and all... Gov't control of economy: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will enact a windfall profits tax on excessive oil company profits to give American families an immediate $1,000 emergency energy rebate to help families pay rising bills. (redistribution of wealth) This relief would include a $25 billion State Growth Fund to prevent state and local cuts in health, education, housing, and heating assistance or counterproductive increases in property taxes, tolls or fees. The Obama-Biden relief plan will also include $25 billion in a Jobs and Growth Fund to prevent cutbacks in road and bridge maintenance and fund school repair - all to save more than 1 million jobs in danger of being cut. (so much for federalism - redistribution of wealth) Healthcare Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions so all Americans regardless of their health status or history can get comprehensive benefits at fair and stable premiums. (uh...what? Hi. My name is Bob. I have obesity-induced heart disease and diabetes. I'd like the government to pay for my care. Thanks...) requiring large employers that do not offer coverage or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of their employees health care. (so much for free enterprise - government mandated health system) Welfare State Obama and Biden will increase the number of working parents eligible for EITC benefits, increase the benefits available to parents who support their children through child support payments, increase benefits for families with three or more children, and reduce the EITC marriage penalty, which hurts low-income families. (goodbye reduced nanny state, hello government-sponsored underclass - redistribution of wealth) Obama and Biden will provide all low and middle-income workers a $500 Making Work Pay tax credit to offset the payroll tax those workers pay in every paycheck. Obama and Biden will also eliminate taxes for seniors making under $50,000 per year. (any idea how this gets paid for? Yep - redistribution of wealth) Whoops - five minutes are up. Gotta go...
Fixed it for you. See, when it says "can get" (will be GIVEN) it means if you PAY an insurance company for insurance, you get coverage. Rather than the you pay insurance only to get denied. Really, I would hate for people to actually get what they pay for. continue with y'all discussion. (I'm still undecided)
It said pre-existing conditions. As in, before you pay, the insurance company is FORCED to enter into a LOSING bargain. Now. Does that seem fair? Or free market?
of course it's free market. doesn't say the insurance company HAS TO write you a policy. What it is saying is that IF they write you a policy, and take your money, they need to cover your medical expenses. What would you prefer: Guy has diabetes (like your example), and goes out to get an insurance policy. he pays his monthly premium, and meets his necessary detuctibles, and the insurance company helps with the expenses of it. Guy is at least doing his part. or same guy same illness, has no insurance, looks for no insurance. instead, goes to local charity hospital or free clinic. Pays nothing for doctors visits or prescriptions, but gets similar care and meds, because the tax payers are footing the entire bill for him.
If the insurance company has the call on the price of the premiums, I don't have an issue with your notion. If the government, on the other hand, is forcing them to write a losing policy, then I do. My point is - socialized medicine leads to poor healthcare for everyone. There are plenty enough examples of this in the world.
No need to pile on you...your vote is your vote and that's what we do as Americans. I am a little curious about the American flag flying along with Obama's name. Wouldn't Obama be offended by that? Also...you finished with God bless you all. Since you're supporting Obama...which God would that be?
It's all in fun, Cajun. I'd drink a beer with anyone on this forum and have a hell of a time with 'em. Mastermind is the only one who has me figured out.
Please expound on "something". How does a 25 year old woman with six kids from six different men, who has never held a job and lives in public housing going to pay something? God bless the kids for being born into this situation but at what point are people held accountable? Illegal aliens will pay what?...how?...to who? We have no problems taking more from the "rich" to support our appetite for over spending and yet somehow justify this in the name of "fairness" but the second we ask government cheese recipients to act responsibly, we're labeled as psycho, racist, haters, prejudiced. While trying to support Obama's vision of that thing we're forbidden from calling "redistribution of wealth", what happens when spending exceeds revenue. Do we go back again and further increase taxes on the greedy "rich"? Do we tax them further or increase the percentage of people we call "rich"? Why is it the right of everyone to have the same things? That's why I also enjoy this... Father --daughter talk A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. Her father responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked, 'How is your friend Audrey doing?' She replied, 'Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over. 'Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.' The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, 'That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!' The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to the Republican party.'
such a load of conservative koolaid crap. using the most extreme example that hardly exists and is insignificant to fuel voting based on ideology "God bless the kids" but let businesses and the US govt dump on them? close the borders or protect them
