Politics Where are we going?

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Veteran Member

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    youre wrong factually. NK was at the table in the 90s....in a 6 party negotiation that resulted in a treaty. It was a treaty the NKs broke or actually never lived up to at all. So maybe prior presidents believed a meeting with no preconditions wasn’t wise.
    So don’t say Trumps breaking new ground. He’s way out on a limb. I do hope he succeeds, not for him but for us and the world. Just don’t go in believing that a salesman’s spiel will result in a successful treaty.
     
  2. GiantDuckFan

    GiantDuckFan O the Joy

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/06/us/politics/north-korea-us-history-negotiations.html
    WASHINGTON — Diplomacy between the United States and North Korea has gone through familiar cycles of long stagnation, followed by brief bursts of hope and then inevitable disappointment, typically after North Korea reneged. President Trump’s three predecessors each went through the cycle.

    In October 1994, Bill Clinton concluded what was perhaps the most ambitious nuclear agreement ever reached between Washington and Pyongyang — called, appropriately, the Agreed Framework.
    Under the deal, North Korea agreed to halt construction of two nuclear reactors that the United States believed would be used to produce fuel for a nuclear bomb. In return, the White House pledged to give North Korea two alternative nuclear power reactors that could not be used in a weapons program — as well as fuel to tide it over before the new reactors were ready.

    The agreement headed off a threat by North Korea to withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, and eased what had been one of the tensest periods on the Korean Peninsula since the armistice that ended the Korean War.

    The Clinton administration tried to expand the scope of the Agreed Framework after North Korea began testing ballistic missiles in 1998. That effort culminated with a trip to Pyongyang by Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright in 2000, and what another American official, Wendy Sherman, later wrote were negotiations that came “tantalizingly close” to a broader agreement.

    But no deal was consummated before President George W. Bush took office, and Mr. Bush initiated his own policy review. The disclosure that North Korea was developing a capability to enrich uranium led the Bush administration to conclude that the Agreed Framework was not worth upholding, and construction on the new reactors was suspended.

    At the end of 2002, North Korea expelled inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency, restarted its nuclear facilities and announced it was withdrawing from the nonproliferation treaty. The Agreed Framework was dead.

    From then on, negotiations occurred within a framework of six parties: North Korea, the United States, South Korea, China, Russia and Japan. Those talks, led on the American side by Christopher R. Hill, went on fitfully from 2002 to 2005, when North Korea promised to “abandon nuclear weapons and existing nuclear programs.”

    After years of haggling over how to verify the North Korean pledge, the six-party talks broke down in 2009, leaving President Barack Obama to deal with a North Korea that had made progress in its nuclear program and remained opaque and suspicious of the outside world.

    The Obama administration showed little appetite for reviving the Six-Party process, and instead embarked on a policy of steadily tightening economic pressure on North Korea. But American diplomats began quietly meeting with their North Korean counterparts.

    On Feb. 29, 2012, the two sides announced a deal — the so-called Leap Day Agreement — under which North Korea would halt operations at its Yongbyon nuclear reactor and allow in inspectors to verify its suspension of nuclear and missile testing. In return, the United States pledged to offer food aid to North Korea.

    Within a month North Korea was threatening to launch a satellite, effectively nullifying the deal.
     
  3. Kikicaca

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    Thanks for this novel but was looking for a non fiction novel. None of this effort by Trump has happened yet. None of this above means squat because this is not Bushes, Clinton's or Obama's deal its Trumps. We need to to wait till the negotiations are done which may take a while. This is not like going to a McDonald's for fast food this is a regime changing event, NOKO wont change overnight.
     
  4. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    It honestly sounds like you're just a hater being spoonfed bullshit from all different directions despite your self-proclamation otherwise.
     
  5. dachsie

    dachsie Freshman

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    Trump has already had success - he got our citizens home.
     
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  6. Winston1

    Winston1 Veteran Member

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    Clinton kept her for himself, she could leap on a peyronie's in a single bound!
     
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    "I do hope he succeeds, not for him but for us and the world". Not for him? But it will be because of him if this happens. Is your hate that deep?
     
  10. dachsie

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    Ok that statement tells me you will never see any reasonable success from Trump. If you can't acknowledge that he was able to get these people home and that it was a victory you will never acknowledge his success. It doesn't matter who else got prisoners home in the past. The man you hate did it this time - the one you think is too inexperienced to do anything. Tirk is right.

    Complete denuclearization is not a success either I guess
     

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