When O.U. has the ball.........

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  1. ramah

    ramah Founding Member

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    Ramah, my critique is based on an objective observation of this Sooner team, not a subjective comparison of conference strengths or opponent's schemes.

    ... objective view ... wow, really ... do you sell used cars, too ... sure you don't mean "subjective" ... lol. subjective - taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias;

    I believe our SOS is better than either L.S.U. or SC but that's not the point.

    ... I don't believe this has OU at #11 ... I see LSU there, wow

    http://www.mratings.com/rate/cf-m.htm
    LSU 45.40 ( 11)
    Okla 44.60 ( 20)
    USC 43.48 ( 38)

    Yes, K-State handled us. I was at that game & could spend hours dissecting the whys & wherefores of the outcome.

    ... saw it too and it took me no time to spot 6 major OU weaknesses ... KSU beat Jason White like a drum ... they're still scoring. YOU HAVE NO EXCUSES TO MAKE THIS BOBO GO AWAY.

    THE BOBO WON'T GO AWAY ... WHITE WILL BE HAMMERED AND YOU'LL HAVE TO PLAY A FB ON PASSING DOWNS TO BLOCK FOR HIS LAME AZZ. AND WE HOPE YOU TRY THE OPTION WITH LICKETY SPLIT.

    Probably in the same manner you could dissect your home loss to Florida.

    ... we have dissected the 12-point loss ... our team was flat and our QB did not execute ... except 3 turnovers

    What I wrote is a snapshot of what has worked successfully for us over the course of a 13 game season.

    You gave us a replay of faded OU glory ... the word is out ... smash White in the teeth ... till the spit and the blood flies ... and keep hitting him for 60 minutes ... NEXT

    Will it work in NO, only time will tell.

    Garner Ted BELIEVES in miracles ... is he a sooner fan too.

    We've seen Man, Zone, & a combination of both. I would caution anyone with any knowledge of football to not make the mistake of rationalizing an opponent's strenghs & weaknesses simply based on the results of that team's worst performance.

    We've looked at the performance of 6 games to come to our conclusion ... 6 games ... some of them watch 4 times. I know what I say ... ALABAMA ... ask Billie Joe Kines Defensive Coordinator at Bama what he thinks after that SHUTOUT, BAYLOR, TT & KSU CONFIRMED IT ALL.

    Everyone is aware of the historical strength of the SEC & has great respect for the league. However, isolating on specific games & matchups is risky @ best. If I were to selectively iso. on Big 12 vs SEC matchups I could make a clear case over the last 5 years that the Big 12 is superior; both K-State & Nebraska have pummeled the Volunteers in recent bowl games. Texas pretty well handled L.S.U. in the Cotton Bowl, & O.U. swept Alabama in the recent home/home. Hell, the defenseless T-Tech Red Raiders managed to go into Oxford & out score a team that was within 2 makeable field goals of beating L.S.U. & going to the SEC Championship game. On the other hand, the Hogs go into Austin & manhandle the Horns. What's the point....there is no point.

    Thanks for the history lesson!

    We respect L.S.U. & we expect the same sort of respect for our program. I watched the Tigers against Alabama & came away duely impressed. Again, this will be a classic battle. We will show up & so will L.S.U. In closing, I would only say....act like you've been there before....we have!

    Yeah ... yeah ... yeah ... how many times ... eight ... wow ... how many trophies ... wow, seven ... where's the Brasso ...

    ~T~H~A~T~ ~T~A~R~N~I~S~H~ ~I~S~ ~S~H~O~W~I~N~G~
     
  2. owenfieldreams

    owenfieldreams Freshman

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    Saban.....no offense but yours is defensive; understandable since you haven't had your dance card punched in 45 years.

    Tejas... Wes Sims has been inconsistent all year & there are many observers of the program who think he would be better @ guard than tackle. When our QB's have been sacked, it's usually been from the right defensive side, usually off of a blitz that results occasionally in Sims blowing an assignment. Now, these mistakes are the exception not the norm. We've only allowed a total of 23 sacks the entire year while L.S.U.'s D has sacked opponents 39 times.

    Our O line has performed extremely well this year, particularly with their pass blocking. Coupled with excellent blocking from our FB position, JW has had alot of time to throw. He even racked up almost 300 yds with over a 50% completion rate against K-State. Vince Carter is no Ben Wilkerson or the guy @ Va-Tech but he's an excellent center. Brown & Joseph are very athletic & will both play on Sunday. Joseph has had somewhat of a dissappointing season because he's been nursing a high ankle sprain all season. Kelvin Chaisson is also very good but many believe he should be @ the LT position with Sims moved to LG.

    As far as our ability to handle man vs zone, we have had tremendous success going deep against man coverage. As I mentioned, White is an incredibly accurate long passer & L.S.U. has given up over 2500 passing yards at a 12.4 yd. per catch clip. Opponents are gaining nearly 200 yds. per game & have thrown for 12 TD passes against your secondary. Obviously, alot of this success through the air is a result of opponent's running games being stuffed & the pass being the only choice.....sorta like playing Tech. Statistically, they'll light you up but it doesn't necessarily translate into victory.
     
  3. ramah

    ramah Founding Member

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    Saban.....no offense but yours is defensive; understandable since you haven't had your dance card punched in 45 years.

    .... LOL, MORE BRASSO PLEASE

    Tejas... Wes Sims has been inconsistent all year & there are many observers of the program who think he would be better @ guard than tackle. When our QB's have been sacked, it's usually been from the right defensive side, usually off of a blitz that results occasionally in Sims blowing an assignment. Now, these mistakes are the exception not the norm. We've only allowed a total of 23 sacks the entire year while L.S.U.'s D has sacked opponents 39 times.

    ... LOL, because they played few DECENT DEFENSIVE TEAMS ... when they played them ... they were unimpressive

    Our O line has performed extremely well this year, particularly with their pass blocking. Coupled with excellent blocking from our FB position, JW has had alot of time to throw. He even racked up almost 300 yds with over a 50% completion rate against K-State. Vince Carter is no Ben Wilkerson or the guy @ Va-Tech but he's an excellent center. Brown & Joseph are very athletic & will both play on Sunday. Joseph has had somewhat of a dissappointing season because he's been nursing a high ankle sprain all season. Kelvin Chaisson is also very good but many believe he should be @ the LT position with Sims moved to LG.

    ... LOL, NO COMPETITION ... just Alabama & KSU ... lucky Nebraska's Dee didn't get you this year late ... Solich might still have a job.

    As far as our ability to handle man vs zone, we have had tremendous success going deep against man coverage.

    ... another Kinard ... against WHO!!! Provide stats to back up BS.

    As I mentioned, White is an incredibly accurate long passer & L.S.U. has given up over 2500 passing yards at a 12.4 yd. per catch clip. Opponents are gaining nearly 200 yds. per game & have thrown for 12 TD passes against your secondary.

    ... Yeah, what's the point? 15 TDs all year ... 1 passing TD per game ... one rushing TD every 4 games ... hmmmmmmmmm

    Obviously, alot of this success through the air is a result of opponent's running games being stuffed & the pass being the only choice.....sorta like playing Tech. Statistically, they'll light you up but it doesn't necessarily translate into victory.

    ... WOW ... is that why we're #1 Defense in America? Man, I'd have never gotten it if he didn't SPLAIN IT SO WELL
     
  4. ramah

    ramah Founding Member

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    C'mon ... am I gonna wait till Social Security comes for this one ... back up your BS ... show us where White burned man coverage deep against a quality passing defense.

    You said ... As far as our ability to handle man vs zone, we have had tremendous success going deep against man coverage.

    I called BS ... another Kinard ... against WHO!!! Provide stats to back up BS.

    Tick tock!
     
  5. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    I left out condescending.
     
  6. Golden Tiger

    Golden Tiger Founding Member

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    Geez guys, I don't think his post was smug or anything other than some info on the OU team. I know we as Tiger fans think we
    are not getting any respect but from talking to these Sooner fans
    on other boards they give nothing but respect. I think we as Tiger
    fans can show a little more sportsmanship than we have, let's try
    and show some class to our guest that deserve it.
    Don't get me wrong, I can talk smack with the best of them, but if
    they want to talk honest football I'm for it.
     
  7. ramah

    ramah Founding Member

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    Another shuck n' jive hope n' a prayer artist polishing those trophies ...

    Nothing Works against the brutal LSU Dee ... when it's over ... come and see us!

    Keep up the decent recruiting and you might have a chance with KSU next few years ... if you get some help on the OL and get a decent QB that can move faster than old people phfuckke ... slow and jerky.
     
  8. ramah

    ramah Founding Member

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    OU has NO RESPECT for LSU ... even after their 35-7 wake-up call.

    They want to come on here and talk BS ... have them back it up with facts ... not a subjective BRASSO talk about histry.

    I'm still waiting on all his DEEP ROUTE TDs scored against man coverage.

    LOL ... THEY HONESTLY BELIEVE THEIR OWN HYPE ... even after KSU
     
  9. owenfieldreams

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    You left out arrogant.
     
  10. cajdav1

    cajdav1 Soldiers are real hero's

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    Owen, you have made could points and if anyone takes the KSU game as the only measure of OU they are mistaken, I for one do not put much stock into that game other than to say it proved you guys can be beat and aren't other worldly good. If LSU plays a pretty perfect game on D we can stop you guys for the most part and hold the score down, which /I think we have to do to win. If it's a sootout, which should not happen, OU wins. We do have a good defense but so do you guys. I think all of the SOS stuff wghen teams are ranked as close as we are is meaningless so I know you guys have lit up some pretty good defenses. The BIG 12 plays good football, at least as good as the SEC. I really thing all of the major conferences were way down this year overall and that is the main reason there were so many 7-5 and 6-6 teams in bowls. Anyway, you didn't mention your defense at all, what are your biggest strenghts and the your biggest weaknesses on that side of the ball. Our defense has one weakness all year and it is the dump over the middle to a back when we blitz about 7 or 8 guys and the lineman is supposed to back up in a zone area and cover the back. It has worked against us on several occasions this year. On offense, smallish, quick lineman have given us trouble slanting into holes, ie Ole Miss and Florida. Mauck has a tendency to throw too many balls on the run on rollouts when he has the time to stop and plant and that hurt him against Ole Miss and Arkie early as he missed Henderson on 3 longs passes that should have all gone for TD's but mostly he is very consistent and very accurate when he sqyaures up and throws. Most of the plays that he throws on the run are designed rollouts and if he is throwing short he's good but when he throws it deep he doesn't have the arm strength. We do have several runnning backs that are completely different runners and we will probably find out which one is the best at exploiting a weakness if Vincent is stopped early and we have a tendency to run better in the second and third 1/4's as our offensesive line gets cranked up and the backs start figuring out whether to break it upfield or take it wide depending on slants and pursuit speed. I would imagine with OU's quickness we would tend to be more successful going upfield or against the grain when getting pass the initial line of scrimmage.
     

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