What's your opinion of Atheists?

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  1. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    Red has a 6' long beard?
     
  2. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    i dunno, maybe we should see if it answers our prayers.
     
  3. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    That's incorrect, as martin has shown.

    That's incorrect, too. Atheism is not a knowledge claim, but a state of nonbelief. Since agnostics have no belief in a god they're a subset of all atheists.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Of course it is. What nonsense.

    A bad analogy. Stating the obvious about a known phenomenon in no way equates with the direct relationship between disbelief and denial.

    You, martin, are an agnostic in atheists clothing.

    The terms are synonymous.

    de·ni·al
    A refusal to accept or believe something, such as a doctrine or belief.
    A refusal to grant the truth of a statement or allegation.

    dis·be·lief
    Refusal or reluctance to believe.

    Again an example that does not illustrate the issue.

    Guessing at a known phenomenon are matters that can be proven statisically and sometimes even absolutely. In what way does that relate to what one believes about an unprovable issue?

    If you believe that a diety could exist, then you are an agnostic. If you believe that a diety could not possibly exist, then you are an atheist.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You aren't paying attention. Many, if not most, agnostics do believe in God. They just don't believe in the imaginary portrayals of God by men who know no more about the matter than they do themselves.

    This is what separates agnostics from atheists. Atheist deny the existence of God by definition. Agnostics do not. They only believe that we can never know the answers to this question. Which is to say, they accept that God may exist, excluding them from atheism.
     
  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    we are arguing over definitions here, but you are wrong.

    the words disbelief and denial are clearly not synonymous and i am suprised you think they are.

    i do not believe lsu will lose tomorrow. i do not deny they will. see the the difference?

    cmon man, wake up, i dont have to know an answer absolutely to believe or not believe it.

    i dont believe i will be killed by terrorists today. but it is possible. i do not deny the possibility. simple.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Of course. You are agnostic about the LSU football game. If you were atheistic about the LSU football game, you would deny that they would win.
     
  8. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    Yes, I paid attention and you're still incorrect. People who believe in God are theists, not agnostics.
     
  9. marcmc99

    marcmc99 Founding Member

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    I thought those nihilists in the Big Lebowski were pretty funny guys.
     
  10. Frogleg

    Frogleg Registered Best

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    I find your assumptions telling and hilarious.

    lay off the TV bud, read a book


    "Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong." Ayn Rand
     

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