What was the cause of "The Big Bang"?

I refuse to believe that the world, the universe, and the planets wasn't created. If you reject that assertion, then sure it seems like everyone except you bows down to squirrels.

 

do you understand that there is a huge difference between believing there was a creator , which isnt so crazy to believe (but still sort of baseless), and believing that god so loved the world that he sent his son to be killed, and that somehow forgave our sins? do you see how that makes no sense? if god is omnipotent, why does he have to kill his son to forgive us? since when is son-killing the thing that forgives people?

nobody even questions it. they just say "hey that was nice of god, he can do anything he wants but like an idiot he made up a son for himself and then had him killed, yunno for our sins". the premise of christianity, its so absurd. god is such an ass, he makes a rule where you have to believe in his stupid son or he sends you to burn for eternity? why does he care so much if you believe in his son? does he want credit for killing the thing he created? why does he care if people believe so much that not believing will get you eternal torture? every single bit of the basic tenets of christianity is caveman stupid. if i created the world i would not be such an incredible ass as to want to be worshipped. and if i did want to be worshipped, i would just program my creations to worship me. i wouldnt create some of them such that they dont like me and then burn them forever as punishment, conveniently forgetting that i was the guy who made them that way.

but hey, you were brainwashed. it is truly hard to respect the opinions of people who, when faced with questions they dont understand, will invoke magic as the answer.

 

It's called compassion, which was introduced to the world when Jesus Christ walked the earth. Son-killing doesn't forgive anyone, it's the faith inspired by the death of Jesus which produces forgiveness. The Bible contains the answer to each and every question you raise. Maybe one day you will open yourself up to hearing those answers.

 

why would my faith that a son-killing was for my forgiveness actually result in my forgiveness? why do i even need forgiveness if if everything i am is the way it is because god created me that way.

that doesnt make any sense.

 

The first man (Adam) chose to die spiritually and be in a state of sin, separating himself and those that come after him forever by CHOOSING TO eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

All men from then on were in a state of sin because they were propagated from Adam. Like begets like. It matters not if you live a perfect life (which you cannot do anyway) because you are "in Adam".

God, being perfect, cannot tolerate sin, not one bit. For us to be reconciled to him, we need to have our spiritual life and righteousness restored. This could only happen via a sacrifice. God gave the law to Moses to show humans that they COULD NOT live up to the demands of the law (to be righteous), and needed a Savior to make them righteous.

Do you or do you not want free will? You would program your creations to worship you? You would not give them the choice? Man (Adam) CHOSE to live in a state of sin. God, being omniscient knew that man would do this and he knew that, since he loved humanity, he would give them the chance / choice to be right in Christ. It is still a choice. We still have the free will to accept or reject salvation.

I'm glad you're not God.

I don't care whether or not you respect my opinion. I don't have any respect for yours because you are so militantly against mine. You are clearly morally bankrupt and spiritually dead as are a lot of others on this forum.

 

yes, i hate it when people eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. if i was god i would punish that sort of evil behavior. damn that adam for being so terrible!

yes, i know, he ate from the tree. i hate him.

no doubt about the spiritually dead part.

nah, i would do a far better job than god does. nothing bad would ever happen if i was god. it would be a constant orgy of goodtimes for everyone. i wouldnt send anyone to burn in hell, i wouldnt even make a hell. i would program everyone so they would all be obsessed with happy funtime. your god is a miserable bastard who does terrible things.

 

Because we are not Jews who are God's chosen people. Faith in Jesus is the only way a Gentile can enter into heaven. Once the Jews rejected that Jesus is the Son of God, the door to heaven was opened to all of us by way of faith that Jesus Christ is indeed the Son of God.


Acts, chapter 13


38: Let it be known to you therefore, brethren, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

39: and by him every one that believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.


Hebrews, chapter 2


1: Therefore we must pay the closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it.
2: For if the message declared by angels was valid and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution,
3: how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard him,
4: while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his own will.
5: For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking.
6: It has been testified somewhere, "What is man that thou art mindful of him, or the son of man, that thou carest for him?
7: Thou didst make him for a little while lower than the angels, thou hast crowned him with glory and honor,
8: putting everything in subjection under his feet." Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. As it is, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.
9: But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for every one.
10: For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering.
11: For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified have all one origin. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12: saying, "I will proclaim thy name to my brethren, in the midst of the congregation I will praise thee."
13: And again, "I will put my trust in him." And again, "Here am I, and the children God has given me."
14: Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same nature, that through death he might destroy him who has the power of death, that is, the devil,
15: and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage.
16: For surely it is not with angels that he is concerned but with the descendants of Abraham.
17: Therefore he had to be made like his brethren in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make expiation for the sins of the people.
18: For because he himself has suffered and been tempted, he is able to help those who are tempted.

That's the great thing about the whole situation. God gave man free will and the ability to choose which road he will take. Man was given reign over the earth, but we are held accountable for what we do. Even though Adam abused that freedom, God was gracious enough not to condemn all of mankind because of the actions of one. We are given the freedom to be individuals. God didn't make man sinful, God endowed man with the ability to make his own choices and did not program us, as you said you would have done in an earlier post.

It really is pointless to argue this, because for you to see things from my perspective you would have to be open to believing the Bible is indeed the word of God. And like I cannot convince you to believe, you are unable to convince me you are correct because I have the openness and faith you lack. I cannot prove to you that Christianity is indeed factual, because as I have said before the foundation of Christianity is faith that Jesus Christ is in fact what the Bible says he is. Despite that, you still have nothing to prove that Christianity is false. You only have your faith that it is, when all is said and done. The only reason I responded to your earlier post was because I felt led (or obligated as you would probably see it) to reply to a question you posed with a Biblical answer. I am aware that force-feeding Christianity to someone who isn't open to hearing it is most often counterproductive, which is why I normally don't choose to do so.

 

if i designed the universe i would just make everyone good and nobody would ever do anything bad. i am far smarter than god. god is an idiot.

i agree with that. christians have decided they do not care about rational thinking. they like "faith". to me faith is exactly equivalent to insanity. so for the faith, they hope to be rewarded. i wish them luck, but i am not optimistic.

 

Looks like the Bible is right again.


Mark, chapter 4


15: And these are the ones along the path, where the word is sown; when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word which is sown in them.

16: And these in like manner are the ones sown upon rocky ground, who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy;

17: and they have no root in themselves, but endure for a while; then, when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately they fall away.

18: And others are the ones sown among thorns; they are those who hear the word,

19: but the cares of the world, and the delight in riches, and the desire for other things, enter in and choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.

20: But those that were sown upon the good soil are the ones who hear the word and accept it and bear fruit, thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold."

 

damnit why did god curse me and sow me among the thorns. oh well, you win some you lose some.