What is wrong with Liberal ideology

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  1. ColonelHapablap

    ColonelHapablap Founding Member

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    In answer to the original question, my answer in a nutshell is this: power can either resire in the hands of the individual or in the hands of the government. The two are mutally exclusive. When the government is more powerful, it means I am less powerful. I want my life to be in my own hands. Any time the government gains more power, my life is less in my own hands and more in theirs. Liberal ideology is one whose basic tenet is to put more power in the hands of the government. That's what's wrong with it.

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    the answer is easy. When I call my city councilman, he calls me back. When I call Mary Landrieu, I get a form letter back. The closer the representation is to home, the more affect the individual citizen has on that representative. If I don't like what my city or state government is doing, I have a significant amount of power in changing it. In some instances, I even have the ability to run for the office and have a good chance of getting elected. When I don't like what the federal government is doing, I have to either spend a lot of money or start a special interest group in order to get my voice heard.
     
  2. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    That sums it up better than any of the long winded posts on this subject.
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The whole idea of a federal republic is so that you can have it both ways. A national government to take care of national interests and state governments to take care of regional business. It's just a matter of where to draw the line and that line has moved back and forth over time, which is normal.

    Sure, you can get quick response from a city councilman who represents 50,000 people. But that councilman cannot do a damn thing for you outside of a few square miles that he serves. Yes, you will probaby get a form letter from a US congressman who represents 4 million people, but your opinion gets tabulated with all of the other opinions received and it does influence your representative at the national level.

    As an individual, you have no political power whatsoever. As one of over 200 million Americans, you have vast power as long as you keep writing those letters. This system is a good one, has served us well for over 200 years, and has been widely emulated in the democracies that have emerged since then.

    My only objection to the system is the presence of industry and special interest lobbyists. The constitution gives no special rights to special interest group lobbyists over average citizens, yet they have enormous access and influence over politicians at every level. These lobbyists dilute and derail the information flow to the elected representatives and I don't like it one bit.
     
  4. ColonelHapablap

    ColonelHapablap Founding Member

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    Red, while I don't disagree with any of that, my point (and my response to the question posed) is that, when possible, I'd rather have power in the hands of my councilman than my congressman. I know that there are areas where that's not feasable. I do think, though, that there are areas where it is, and power could be moved. Schools for instance. Why is a federal bureaucracy setting rules for every school in America? The money that they contribute is small (on a percentage basis.) I'd rather my school board, my city government, and at most my state government setting those rules. That's just an example, but I think that the premise applies in many areas of government.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I certainly see your point. Especially about schools. I think national standards are important, but Washington is too far removed from the schools themselves to be so involved in their administration.
     
  6. arizona tiger

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    LIBERAL PHILOSOPY.............

    has promised more good and caused more bad than anything I can think of during my lifetime. Thomas Jefferson (a founding father of our nation for those of you subjected to the revisionist history created by liberals) said it far better than I can: "The government that governs best is the government that governs least."

    More evidence that liberalism is bankrupt:

    The last 40 plus years of liberal control of education and government has given us a school system so much worse than it was in the 40's and 50's that the average high school grad can't make change out of a cash register if the screen fails to display the correct amount. The average grad can't find Lake Michigan on a U.S. map or knows next to nothing about our Constitution.

    Liberals believe that there are 8 amendments in the bill of rights instead of 10--they love to talk about the first one, but totally ignore the 2nd one (the right to bear arms) and the 10th (alluded to above) that EVERYTHING not specifically given to be Federal territory is RESERVED to the states. This covers a lot of ground that is presently (and IMO illegally) occupied by the Federal government. Just one example is education--totally out of the province of the Feds--but they usurped power anyway.

    That just kind of illustrates my problem with liberalism--it's usually based on a lie. That doesn't stop the libs. They steamroller on their path of destruction of our liberty anyway. If the direction of our culture toward liberal ideals doesn't change, in less than 50 years our country will be worse than France is now--and that's pretty terrible for freedom. :mad:

    Don't believe me--I dare you to read the Federalist Papers and really understand the how's and why's and wherefores of the U. S. Constitution.
     
  7. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    liberalism, in my opinion, is a means for people to try and take the moral high ground, to take a position they believe will make them be percieved as part of the solution, but never is, because restrictions and rules have unforseen consequences. but liberals don't look at the whole picture, they just want the maintain the pretense that they are the ones working for the betterment of the people.

    for example rent controls. liberals make claims how rent controls keep housing cheap, and that opposing them is opposing housing for the poor. but rent restrictions discourage new building and create shortages in housing and bankrupt landlords who can no longer invest in their proprties. but all of this is too complex for the liberal mind. they want rents to be cheap!

    at its base, liberalism is simplistic effort to take the point of view that people believe make them look like good and caring people, and to get a piece of that precious moral hi ground.
     

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