What do you people mean that keep claiming the US is getting socialistic?

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  1. kcal

    kcal Founding Member

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    and now you know just how weak it sounded when you said it :wink:
     
    kcal, Apr 8, 2008
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  2. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    Good points - although I do disagree that several of these are capitalistic - tax cuts, rich & poor gap, supreme court leaning to the right republican, etc. Considering that it still does look like we're more capitalistic now than in the past. However, I think that most of what you are comparing the current day to is 20-30 years ago, when our country was much more socialistic. If you look further into our country's history I think we'd see that those years were more the exception than the rule.
     
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  3. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    I'm one of the biggest proponents of fiscal responsibility you will find. Unfortunately, presidential elections have become a selection of poisons. I have not seen a good president in my lifetime.
     
    CParso, Apr 8, 2008
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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It's all of our responsibility as citizens to be productive. You don't understand what national productivity is, do you?

    I elect leaders who think like me whenever possible and I'll bitch all I want to, it's what we do here. This is a forum for political discussion, stop trying to stifle it. What are you afraid of hearing?
     
    red55, Apr 9, 2008
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  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Do you not see the parallels? Powerful feudal lords amassing great wealth, protected by their knights, assisted by their servants, and brooking no complaints from the serfs that just do the work . . . compared to powerful CEO's amassing great wealth, protected by their lawyers, assisted by their executives, and brooking no complaints from the blue-collar workers who just do the work.
     
    red55, Apr 9, 2008
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  6. kcal

    kcal Founding Member

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    no it's not. you and i may feel that sense of responsibility to be productive as possible but that responsibility is not inherent....



    certainly it's your right to bitch and you exercise it frequently. we all do.....as you say, it's what we do. what i meant (perhaps in a less caustic manner) was that we can bitch all we want but little will change unless we have the courage to elect those who will do what is necessary rather than pander to a wish list of special interest groups.
     
    kcal, Apr 9, 2008
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  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I believe citizenship in a democracy is a right and not a privilege. These rights come with responsibilities and one of them is to be a law-abiding and productive citizen.

    Well, that's different! :thumb:
     
    red55, Apr 9, 2008
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  8. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    There are more differences than parallels. I am free to leave the company I work for. Feudal serfs were not. I am free to start my own business and be my own boss earning as much as I am capable of killing and dragging home. Serfs were not. I can advance my place with my knowledge and grow my skills with a myriad of educational oppurtunities. The serf didn't have these chances.

    Most of the C-level execs I have worked with are very hard working, and earn their comp. Not everyone can be an exec of a fortune 500 company. That caliber of business man is as rare as someone capable of playing professional sports.

    Do they need to be regulated? Sure to some extent, but I don't think the gap in income is the place to start.
     
    LSUsupaFan, Apr 9, 2008
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  9. CParso

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    I see the parallels that you have just drawn, but you referred to the "every man for himself policies of neo-con Republicans", and I do not see this as being the case.
     
    CParso, Apr 9, 2008
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  10. Bandit88

    Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better

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    Check me Red, but I think I have rights regardless of my actions, but privileges require me to earn them and then protect them through my actions.

    Privileges can be denied. Rights cannot.
     
    Bandit88, Apr 9, 2008
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