We have us a QB controversy fellas !

i dont buy into the "MF is a better leader" argument. in his ONE game he has shown to be a better QB, but i dont discount JR's leadership ablilities. he has come through in the clutch tons of times. MF has never had to (not counting the seccg. i dont consider throwing accurate passes and making good reads necessarily as leadership qualities. they are qualities of a good qb. we dont know if MF is a leader in the 4th when he's needed. we'll see i bet. but i'll take my chances with the better passer and decision maker all the time over the guy that often underperforms until his back is against the wall. id prefer not to be up against that wall.

 

I sure hope you are being sacastic.:nope:

 

ChOsnOne, he was basically saying that we don't know FOR CERTAIN that Flynn is a better leader, but he'd rather have a QB that doesn't put himself in the position to have to mount a comeback. Russell has lead the team to great comebacks, it's just that he is usually the one that puts the team in the position that we need a rally to win.

 

You guys are crazy. What did Russell do to put us in position to have to come back? I think penalties, dropped balls, and fumbles had a lot more to do with that, and in those gave the dude stayed cool as ice and made it happen.

You could pick out one maybe two games where he made a mistake that gave the other team a chance to win. But how many QB's in the country haven't done that? The answer is none. And even when he did make a mistake, he bounced back and we won. Neither of our losses were his fault.

I don't care how great you are you are going to make a mistake from time to time if you play QB in major college football.

He's not perfect, and I haven't seen any one say he is, but damn you can't ask for a guy to do much better. Throw out the drops and he breaks the all time NCAA record for completion %. Yeah I know, your gonna have some during the season, but this team averaged just over 5 drops per game.

The crap about him throwing to hard is old news. I'll give you that last year, but not in 2005. Even if it was true, that is not a legitimate excuse for not catching the ball.

Flynn had a great game, but you guys need to get real. He did not do anything in that ball game that 80% of the QB's in D1 couldn't have done.

With the help he had around him, we could have won that game with Welker.

The long ball to Buster was very nice and way above average, but other than that I just did not see anything that would give me any reason to think for one second that he was a "better QB" than JR.

13 completions, and you guys want to name your first born's after him.

He did open a previously closed door for himself to compete for the job next year. However, if JR is healthy I give him about a 25% chance of obtaining it.

We can just agree to disagree on this one.:thumb:

 

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ch0sn0ne again.

 

Hey, you're right on this. I'll admit that had the rest of the team made plays around him we would have looked much better with Russell. But add to that losing enormous tracts of real estate on drive ending sacks. Add to that more than a few series where his inconsistency contributed to a 3 and out. Add to that a number of times when Russell led a receiver into a punishing blind-side hit. I could care less about his completion percentage, that is a result of Fisher prefering to make high percentage passes. All season long mid-range passes seem to have not been a part of the playbook, until Matt Flynn showed up. Like I've argued before, I seriously doubt the receivers remembered how to catch because they've had more time off. It is more likely, IMO, that they are able to catch Flynn better, for whatever reason.

I think he contributed to both losses. Our offense was lame and inconsistent in both games.

We have the receivers that we have. That's what we have to deal with. If it is true, obviously they were able to catch Flynn much easier. Having an effective offense is the point, right?

What a dis. I kind of doubt that.

Hmm.... I guess we saw things really differently then...

My boy's name is Matt, after another LSU qb who's stats were really lackluster. Oh yeah, he also led us to a National Championship. (j/k about my boy, I'm no daddy)

Okily-dokily.

 

JR would have broke the NCAA record for completion % if the receivers would have caught all his passes?

Come on now. No doubt, our receivers did drop a lot of passes (mainly Bowe). But can you imagine if they would have dropped even 50% of the balls that were underthrown or thrown completely behind them?

Craig Davis almost doesn't have a head anymore because of all the bad passes JR threw to him all year long. Remember the Bama game? Davis was making unbelievable catches on balls that I thought for sure had hit the ground.

Don't get me wrong, JR does throw a good amount of awesome passes, but don't get too carried away.

And you know, Davis had his best game ever and he should be getting more passes thrown his way because he is our best receiver. Flynn did that better than JR who throws a ton of balls at Bowe and 1-yard passes going out of bounds to Davis.

80% of QBs could not done what Flynn did in that game. Mostly because 80% of QBs aren't fast and so running on busted plays is not really an option for them. Also, his decisions were about as good as it gets for a whole game.

Also, that TD pass to Addai was great because I didn't think he'd get that ball off at a with that blitz coming. It wasn't a great pass for sure, but it was at least decent enough for Addai to catch it and run it in.

But yeah, it was just one game and our whole team played great. He'll have to prove it over time.

 

Which thing that Flynn did? Quite a few QBs could have scrambled as effectively as him. Quite a few could complete 13 passes. Quite a few can hand the ball off to a RB. Nothing too impressive here.

The question is, did Matt's reads at the line of scrimmage & small attention to details allow the team to be more successful? I'm not sure. Maybe we'll find out next season.

 

I think a problem here is the short-term memory of fans.

Everyone here was singing the praises of JaMarcus after the Capital One Bowl & Arizona St games. Then he broke the completion percentage record against Mississippi St. Yes, JaMarcus has had struggles, but he's been a very good QB for us.

Only now, his back up comes in & the offense looks better than ever, so people start assuming it's JaMarcus's fault & all of a sudden those small faults of JaMarcus are enormous problems which Flynn could easily overcome... :dis:

 

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