We are losing our nation to lies about the necessity of war

Have you ever heard of WWII?

 

Who'd have ever thought those soldiers who signed up voluntarily might have to go somewhere and fight somewhere rather than stay at home? I'm sure they're just as surprised as you seem to be at the notion.

As for the need to be over there, that will be argued long after you and I stop talking about it by people that know way more about the situation than we do. Are we doing the right thing in being there?? I can't tell you that, as I don't have the same information as the powers that be. Both sides of the political isle seem to think it's a good idea though.

 

Sure he has, he just has no idea why we didn't just wait for hitler to wash up in San Diego so we could give him a burrito and then kick his ass. :hihi:

Maybe we should have just waited for those pesky japs to come back for a second bombing run as well.

 

And if only we'd left those twin towers in NY instead of moving them to Afghanistan.

 

But then where would they build that nice new mosque?

 

While you are admitting this I will point out that Obama has continued many of the same policies as Bush, I made that prediction here right after the election and no one believed me.
You would never know it because the media don't give Obama hell over those same policies, it is ok now since its a Democrat policy.

The policy as far as winning any war and defeating the enemy should be left to a military man, politicians need to stay out of the way.

My policy though would be to bring ALL the troops home for the time being with the exception of North Korea as long as the Iraqis can handle their own country.
Its high time we take care of Americans, our country first and quit believing all the lies Obama gave in his speech today!

 

21 Dead In Mexican Gang Gun Battle Near US Border - cbs5.com
What did Obama say about the border, safest in twenty years?:lol::lol:

 

Seriously? 9/11 was planned from Afghanistan. I can't think of anything that has more to do with national security.

I can. It means assisting the Afghans in building a government that is stable enough to prevent another group of terrorists from planning attacks on America or Western democracies. This is going to be different from the conventional definition of wartime success. It's not like we're going to get Osama bin Ladin on USS Missouri to sign his surrender.

And on another note, I'm about ready to call shenanigans on people who say we can't win in Afghanistan. How many people said we couldn't win in Iraq? I know Harry Reid did, for one. That scumbag, while majority leader in the Senate, said, "The war is lost," and "the surge isn't accomplishing anything." Granted, Afghanistan is not Iraq, but it's already been shown that there's no shortage of politicians ready to throw national security and the military overboard if it means extending their political life. There are enough brilliant minds in the military and elsewhere to accomplish anything they set out to do, if Washington would just let them do what needs to be done.

 

SabanFan:

I think so. I learned in that one the US was neutral until attacked by a foreign country on our soil. Then we declared war on Japan but didn't even declare war on Germany. Germany declared war on us first. Is that the one you are referring to?

How does that sober minded foreign policy stance compare with the Bush doctrine? I think Roosevelt was not running around the globe making the world safe for democracy. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so. I remember something about half of Europe being left to the Commumnists for 50 years....we didn't send in the military there, did we?

That is not our job. Our job is to keep the 50 states of the Union safe for democracy. That's it. Period.

It was called the American Revolution. Not the Global Revolution. There is a reason for that. It was confined to our country and doesn't extend past our borders.

If the other countries want to have democracy let them stand up and fight for it. It's their women and their daughters that are being abused in Afghanistan, not mine.



Swerved:

Well, you have a point in that it is voluntary but I still think the military is being misused. They should not be involved in nation building....more like nation destroying. If the natives don't want to pick up the pieces I would suggest applying more violence, not less.

If you want to be politically correct then send the UN in afterwards or something.

 

Right. Like any of that is going to work. And when did we "win" in Iraq; I must have missed the memo.

I also think a lot of the win/lose semantics is the problem. There is no such thing in un-declared wars.