Unfair & Unbalanced (long)

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by SabanFan, Dec 17, 2003.

  1. Bestbank Tiger

    Bestbank Tiger Founding Member

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    Tax raises should do their damage just as fast. If your paycheck suddenly gets smaller you'll feel the pinch right away and cut back on your discretionary spending.

    Tax cuts are only good if they come with spending cuts. Otherwise you have deficit spending, which means the taxpayers end up paying more for the same thing. Some economists would also say deficit spending "crowds out" investment and exacerbates business cycles.
     
  2. LSUfan

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    Point taken. I didn't know about the other guy at Fox, but I did read 'bias' and there was plenty of information given by Bernie, that had nothing to do with his feeling bitter about CBS (the homeless reporting, AIDS, and generally how newspapers choose headlines according which party is in office). I don't only watch FOX news either.

    Not that it matters to the discussion, but I am a former Democrat/liberal. I felt Clinton was trash, and didn't like the road the party was taking. So, I switched my party to Republican. I guess I see myself as a liberal Repbulican, which means no one likes me. On social issues, I fully support liberal ideals. But when it comes to running the country, and fixing economics I vote Republican.

    So, I don't trust Fox news anymore than I trust CNN (it is just different view points anyway, not facts).
     
  3. Bestbank Tiger

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    I wouldn't mind seeing the Libertarians on economics. The Republicans are no better than the Democrats when it comes to big spending.

    Harry Browne is our only hope for smaller government!! :)
     
  4. JD

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    The first elected president in U.S. history to be impeached -- Dec. 19, 1998., Does the fact that he was acquitted mean anything? Who needs trials - let's let perverts decide who's guilty and who isn't. What does that prove? Do you think it's meaningful that Henry Hyde and Dan Burton impeached clinton? What does that prove? That the the house tried to overturn the will of the people, and the constitution, that's what.

    The first U.S. president to be publicly accused of forcible rape -- by Juanita Broaddrick, Feb. 24, 1999.,
    Operative word is ACCUSATION and 25 years after the fact. Oh, by the way, Ronald Reagan was also accused of rape.

    The first U.S. presidential candidate to accept financial support from a KGB spy. (Aldrich Ames -- $7,000, 1991, 92), Are you talking about the worst spy in US history - the spy that operated UNFETTERED under Reagan and Bush and was quickly caught by the Clinton administration? And at least Clinton wasn't influenced by the contributions - that's one up he has on the right. Oh, and you might check the background of one Robert Hannsen and his impeccable right wing credentials, who would have been caught much earlier if not for the incompetent Louis Freeh (whom clinton could not fire, as he was the leaking the sizzling details of clinton's sex life - the right would have howled to the moon, had they been deprived of that all important information ).

    The first president to consult with Congress about combat troop deployment while simultaneously receiving oral sex -- according to Monica Lewinsky and Rep. Sonny Callahan. (Starr Report -- Sept. 1998), Ah, the right wing bedroom fuzz strikes again. Actually,only a sex freak like Ken Starr would dream of investigating sex lives. Tell us, why weren't there investigations into the sex lives of reknown house cocksmen (and cockswomen)? Does it not bother you that many of the same people that were howling about clinton's blowjobs were boning women who were not their wives?


    The first U.S. president to have two senior administration officials die violently under mysterious circumstances while they were being pressed for testimony on assorted White House scandals. (Vince Foster, Ron Brown), Yet another case investigated several times and nothing determined (how did that Joe Scarborough investigation turn out? There wasn't one - right wing immunity strikes again). But people like you lust for an American Taliban, don't give a crap about trials and hearings.

    The first U.S. president to order an armored assault on a church, resulting in the deaths of 55 members of the congregation along with 25 of their children. A church?? They murder federal agents and you call it a church? Have you no shame? Leave it to the right wing to take up for a murderer and a rapist like David Koresh, in a pitiful attempt to trash someone they don't like - good show - goosestep proud.

    The first U.S. president to have two senior administration officials die violently under mysterious circumstances while they were being pressed for testimony on assorted White House scandals. (Vince Foster, Ron Brown), Now tell the rest of the story - HE WAS EXONERATED.

    The theme of all of your garbage is that this Clinton was subjected to more right wing witchhunts than any man in history. But, freedom haters like you, applaud the use of government to get people you personally don't like. He was EXONERATED in all of those, but you didn't mention that.

    It just shows the difference between the far right and the rest of America.
     
  5. JD

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    [/B][/QUOTE] Either way, it simply isn't accurate to wear the blinders and say "Great 8 years" when IN REALITY it was 8 years of HIGH TAXES, Unpunished TERROR attacks and Scandal.
    Scandals? Try accusations and witchhunts. The only thing they got him on was lying about his sex life. Leave it to the right wing to put people under oath about their sex lives without an underlying legitimate criminal accusation - they are the only people perverted enough to do such a thing.

    Higher taxes? Slightly higher excise taxes, a move in the corporate rate from 34% to 35% and a raise in the top rate from 34-39. That is why it worked - he didn't screw the middle class, in contrast to right wing tax policy that iNSISTS that the middle class bear the burdens for this country. And what did you get for the small tax hikes? Record investment returns, low unemployment and serious deficit reduction. What do we get with neo-confederate economics? High unemployment, negative returns, record deficits, lucrative subsidies and contracts to republican campaign contributors etc.


    Unpunished terror attacks - he got the guy who blew up the Oklahoma building - one of your fellow right wingers - milita man - how quickly the far right tries to forget about that one. (if the militias consisted of black people, can you imagine the howls from the republicans we would hear? Send federal troops to Idaho) Why don't you ask the republican congress about the anti-terrorist legislation he submitted AND they GUTTED (ask Roach DeLay about that). Oh, and he caught the people that bombed the WTC .
    What do you want?
     
  6. JD

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    I don't like people like David Koresh any more than you do but the fact is that along with Koresh and his hard core followers there were innocent children in his compound who were murdered by the Clinton Administration and Janet Reno. The govenment bungled their handling of the entire affair from the begging. It was well know by the FBI that Koresh had a large cache of weapons, but they were also aware that Koresh made many trips into Waco either alone or accompanied by only 1 or 2 of his minions. It would have been a simple matter to arrest Koresh when he was vulnerable rather than storm the gates of his compound.
     
  8. JD

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    That's true and they shouldn't have tanked the place - BUT Koresh, not the government, torched it and killed those kids. And they tried to arrest Koresh - he responded by shooting several agents.
    And holding hearings on this - on behalf of a child rapist and murderer - amongst the littany of examples of over-use of police power - makes me ill.
     
  9. usmctiger

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    You simply can't process the fact that the Clinton episode happened because of the investigation into his sexual harassment charges. Barr and the others who you deem as "just as perverted as Clinton" (which is what you said without meaning to) is <THEY WERE ACCUSED OF ANY CRIMES> Do you get it? Can you process that?

    You liberal weirdos try and paint the episode as a witchhunt but the FACT is that it was based on legitimate claims.

    Get over it, you're bleeding all over the place..
     
  10. usmctiger

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    Terrorist Attacks.

    LOVE IT. You completetly ignore the many terrorists attacks under Clinton that went completely unpunished not to mention Clinton's own former advisor's admission that Clinton had an opportunity to get Bin Laden not 1 but 3 times and refused.

    No wonder your party is facing an entire decade of banishment, Keep up the good work!
     

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