U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals shoots down ACLU

Salty isn't being dishonest and you have poor reading comprehension skills. Maybe as bad as my spelling.

First the Baptists wrote a letter because they fealt they were being opressed. The Connecticut legislature did not consider religious freedoms as immutable rights but as favors allowed to citizens. They feared an eventual banisment because of their religion. Jefferson responded that this could not happen because of the first amendment. In the letter he wrote that a wall was built to forever seperate the church and the state. The wall was intended to protect religion from the government, not the other way around.

 

And you, Rex, need to learn that just because something offends you, it doesn't mean that your Constitutional rights have been violated. I'd like you
to show me exactly where in the Constitution it says that you have the right to not be offended.

 

cmon, that is a cheap point. rex isnt saying that people shouldnt have the right to offend each other. all he (and i) want is for people to keep their superstitions from infiltrating our official government institutions.

all we are asking is that schools teach facts, and courthouses arent spreading bible verses. we just want one thing to be secular, the collectively owned government. thats all. is that so hard to accept. nobody is trampling your rights to pray to your wizards or symobolically (or literally, for you catholics) eat the flesh and drink the blood of whatever sorcerer you choose.

and you guys can wonder all day what the founding fathers meant, and which one was christian and which wasnt. what should be apparent to you is that no matter who you are, you should want religion to be as far as possible from the government.

the ten commandments are very religious, and it is just silly to pretend they are not. hell, the first one is a commandment to believe in god!

the second one is to not take the name of the lord in vain. goddamn, how is this not religion?

keep the sabbath holy? the whole idea of holiness is for children and moonies and warlocks and idiots.

and adultery? mind your own business. we dont need a commandment telling us we need to consult the legal documents at the courthouse regarding marriage to see who we can have sex with. marriage itself should be totally free from the government.

shalt not steal and murder are the only commandments rooted in reason, and it isnt like we needed allah/jehovah/yahweh/jesus or anyone else to tell us that we need a law to keep people from destroying and pillaging each other.

if you want holy wars, then by all means, keep the religion in the government. keep encouraging the guys with opposing superstitions to kill us. we deserve it.

 

Screw the Mets. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Absolutely.

 

I hate when Christians do this. Praying in school is not unconstituational & never will be. They constitution says an individual shall practice their religion as they wish as long as they don't infringe on others' rights. Your kids praying is constitutionally protected. The state-funded public school leading a prayer is a completely different issue. But of course, you damn Republicans (slight joke there as I vote Republican) want to twist the issue.

 

At the time, the framers of the constitution could not imagine a world as diverse as we now have in America. They couldn't begin to understand the kind of seperation between state & church that is now possible. They took a huge leap by seperating the two, and I think that as time progresses it's other enlightened peoples' job to continue the seperation as is relatively possible.

 

And as long as there are final exams, you'll never do away with it, either. :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

 

not only that, but since praying is essentially magic thinking, it isnt like anyone could ever ban it. i bet you could stare at me for hours and i could pray many times right under your nose and you wouldnt know it.

i dont think schools chould put aside any special time for prayer, but i dont see why anyone should need that. how long does it take to pray? couldnt anyone easily pray silently 30 times a day no matter what?

you dont really need worry about the constitution protecting prayer in schools any more than you need to worry about protecting daydreaming about chicks. you cant really stop anyone from doing either.