what? he is talking about the generic "god" of the pledge, which is vague and not necessarily the christian god. i am positive that guy would be just as upset if they said "one nation under allah".

it is not an incredibly pressing inssue, but all references to magic should be excised from all government documents.

Rex. How many times do I have to tell you the same thing?

Read my lips. I Do Not Want A State Religion.

I have never said you don't have the right to speak out against religion. I have just said that most of what you say is idiotic and evil. Two way street you know.

Religion/Christianity has always, up to the last 40 years or so anyway, played a huge part in this country. The documents first drawn up by our founding fathers were inspired by the Bible and Christianity. They are on record as saying so themselves. So, how can you take that out of context?

I know you don't want to accept this, that's fine. Just stop saying it isn't true when you know it is. Not wanting something to be true and it not being true are two seperate things.

When speaking of the letter, you pick and choose which parts to read and completely ignore the document as a whole. You and people like you take bits and pieces of Thomas Jefferson's quotes and twist them to fit your desires. Just accept the fact that Christians founded this country, built this country, and are still the majority of this country. How do you expect to get anywhere when you cannot even accept what is the truth. Like I said before, you cannot rewrite history.

There are thousands of examples to prove that I am correct. There are but a few worn out misquotes and statements taken out of context to try and prove yours.

Again, research state religions and you tell me if you really believe that I would support something like that. The purpose of founding the original colonies was to escape such suppression. Having a "state religion" and having religion play a role in government are two completely different things.

I'm a simple man. Even my unhighly educated self can understand the difference between a holy nation and a theocracy. Why is it so hard for you to understand. There is no conspiracy here rex.

One more time. I Do Not Want A State Religion. They lead to corruption, greed, strife, and misuse of Gods word. I am all for everyone worshiping how they see fit. What I am against is the complete snuffing out of God from our daily lifes.

I don't have a big problem with 'God' appearing on the money, either. It's not like it says 'You can't spend this money if you don't believe in God', or 'This money is worth less if you don't believe in our God.'

Besides, didn't someone on here say recently that our money is printed by a private business?

This is what the Constitution says:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances


If you will notice the or after the first sentence.

Or prohibing the free exercise therof. Therefore you can not outlaw prayer in schools. Or God in the pledge. Or on the currency.

Because if you do outlaw it then you are violating the or clause of the Constitution.

Calco, your understanding of what's allowed constitutionally is comical.

One's rights end where they violate somebody else's.

You need to learn that concept.

Of course you do. Your own words betray you, and your present dishonesty is transparent.

You lie about Jefferson's answer to the Danbury Baptists, who very explicitly asked him the purpose of the First Amendment... why should anybody believe you on anything else?

Stamp God out of your life? Tell me how I'm supposed to stamp your superstition out of your head? Are you suggesting I would outlaw all the graven images in your house? Are you suggesting I would burn down your church?

A Christian has to really stretch to pretend to be persecuted in this country, where 75% are Christian and the law favors them. You don't merely stop at stretching; you downright lie.

I'll take all of that as an admission of you giving up on trying to defend your earlier statements. I should have added that repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true either.

I stumbled upon this statement you made a few months ago rex. You were speaking on evolution. Do you deny making this statement? Who's the hypocrite now?

LOL. Just another example of your dishonesty. When does it stop?

Post a link to the thread so that all can see what sort of games you like to play.

I don't understand how people honestly think there shouldn't be a separation between Church and State in theory. Pragmatically, it's a bit more complicated (see: the aforementioned currency issue, and just how ingrained Christianity presently is in our culture.)

Regardless, the Constitution is essentially a living document, because it's constantly subject to human analysis (by the Supreme Court.) As such, these things ebb and flow. Just like all Constitutional issues.