Trump Indicted

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  1. Jmg

    Jmg Veteran Member

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    thats not correct, the mueller investigation finished and completed without finding collusion. the collusion was a made up and paid for story from hillary. she was fined by the FEC for obscuring her funding of it.
     
  2. Rex

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    Barr shut it down before Mueller could do so. The investigation in no way, shape, or form exonerated trump from either collusion or criminal conspiracy. And what it did prove, beyond any doubt, is that trump obstructed the investigation, which Barr refused to prosecute, under his very novel and absurd political hack legal notion that "there can be no obstruction if you can't prove an underlying crime."
    Just as with every other trumplodyte you have no respect for truth. And no subscription to it. Opposition research into an opponent's collusion with Russia does not demonstrate that the collusion was "made up".
     
  3. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Except when the guy that put it together said "yeah I made it up"
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    He was offered a cool million if he could corroborate ANY of the dosier

    He still hasn't collected
     
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  5. Jmg

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    incorrect the investigation was complete. he even issued a report with his findings. nothing.

    correct in the same exact way you have not yet been exonerated from things you havent been charged with, like for example you have in no way been exonerated from allegations of child rape.


    thats not an absurd notion. if cops come to my door, and i refuse to let them in, i am exercising my right to obstruct them, which is of course legal, as there is no underlying crime. we americans have the right to resist the govt when they are in our shit for no reason.

    well your man mueller didnt find collusion. maybe mueller is on trumps payroll. also hillary was paying and colluding with foreigner (steele) to influence the election. .
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    What's funny is that dummkopf comes here calling us dumb yet he's the one that believes "this time they've got him"
     
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    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    Congrats. Have a beer to celebrate. This is going to last a long time and will amount to nothing in the end. Even some democrats are scratching their heads over this. Bill Clinton is saying "what did he do wrong? Even I made hush money payments when I was getting elected"

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  8. Rex

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    Jordan Klepper takes on some of you at the trump arraignment rally:

     
  9. mancha

    mancha Alabama morghulis

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    dude we were all there.

    Pride was strapped up and with motorcycle helmet, Martin was wearing a big baseball head, Shane was beating someone's ass, Kiki had two snow bunnies, one on each arm, and he was dressing down some woke dude, CO didn't know where he was. Winston was holding an INDICTED sign.
     
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    (air escaping from balloon)…..

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-stormy-case-not-a-campaign-finance-violation
    FEC: Trump-Stormy case ‘not a campaign finance violation’
    April 05, 2023 03:02 PM
    A key member of the Federal Election Commission today rejected the Manhattan district attorney’s indictment of former President Donald Trump as a violation of federal election laws.

    “It's not a campaign finance violation. It's not a reporting violation of any kind,” said FEC Commissioner James E. “Trey” Trainor.


    In trying to stretch the law to make it look like a violation, he added, District Attorney Alvin Bragg “is really trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole.”

    In a 34-count indictment of Trump, the first criminal case ever against a former president, Bragg charged that a $130,000 payment made by former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen to porn star Stormy Daniels, which Cohen went to jail for in a plea deal,violated several campaign finance laws that splashed onto Trump.

    But, said Trainor, the FEC and Justice Department already considered the case and tossed it.


    With that as background, Trainor told Secrets today that it will be hard for a judge or jury to come up with a different conclusion since it’s the FEC and DOJ that prosecute federal campaign finance law. He reiterated that in a Tuesday tweet that showed the FEC hearing room, and he wrote, “This is where campaign finance violations are tried.”

    Trainor, a Texas-based election lawyer appointed by Trump, listed several reasons why the FEC decided not to take up the payment to Daniels in 2018. He also released a statement, shown below, that he and Commissioner Sean Cooksey wrote in April 2021 explaining why the FEC voted to dismiss the case.

    First, he said, Cohen took the blame in his plea deal. “At the end of the day, there's the person who committed the crime, and there's the person who is behind bars because of it,” Trainor said of Cohen.

    Second, the paperwork violation in question came well after Trump’s 2016 election, so it couldn’t have been done to help his election.

    Third, it is not obvious that the reason for the payment and the reimbursement to Cohen was to influence the election, thus failing the “objective standard” of law. “It has to be something that anybody on the street can look at and say the only reason you did that was to influence the campaign,” said Trainor. “There's a lot of reasons that he could have done it that aren't related to him being a candidate for president, and so therefore, it wouldn't have met the standard as campaign expenditure under federal law,” he added.

    Also, the statute of limitations on the case was running out, and it wasn’t worth the time and expense to prosecute, he said.

    “I don't know how you get around the evidence that both the Department of Justice in their investigation of the federal campaign finance issues and the Federal Election Commission in their ultimate jurisdiction over campaign finance issues, neither of them found there to be any violations whatsoever, and I think the jury is going to see that and they're going to have to rely upon the fact that both the law enforcement experts and the civil enforcement experts, as far as campaign finance are concerned, didn't find any violation of the law here,” said Trainor.
     
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