Trump indicated!

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  1. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    I never said otherwise. I said that once the President has declassified materials there has to be a process for dissiminating that information to the rest of government or there is chaos and no one knows the decisions the president is making. Are the rest of those agencies and branches of government supposed to hire a palm reader or psychic to figure out what has and has not been declassified. If you could just read your own words sometimes it is clear that you haven't thought this through.
     
  2. Jmg

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    we explained this a million times, but once again:

    remember when bin laden was killed? the whole operation was top top top secret. then, obama comes on live tv and just starts talking about it. how can he do that? its TOP SECRET

    before we go forward, do you understand this? do you understand that

    1. the bin laden raid was secret
    2. obama just talked about it on tv where anyone could hear


    do you understand those two things? if you do, i think it will help me explain this concept.
     
  3. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    I do not dispute that the acting president has every right to declassify whatever they choose. That said, if there is no mechanism to informing other government agencies and branches after the decision is made, what good is it? How are the other offices supposed to know? Should they hire a psychic or should they just make mind reading part of the job description? We do not disagree that the President can unilaterally declassify. What comes after that? How does anyone else in government know it's been declassified? Isn't it pointless to declassify material and then keep it a secret? Because that is what you are arguing and it's absurd. Further, I have seen numerous individuals who have served in both republican and democratic administrations who skoff at the idea that one can simply keep it a secret that the President has declassified something. The entire point of declassification is to make something that was once private, now public. Seems counter intuitive to me.

    Jack Smith addressed this very topic in his latest indictment. He makes it quite clear that lying is covered under free speech. However, if that speech is in the furtherance of a crime, such as a conspiracy to defraud the united states or a fake electors scheme.

    yes, because Trump has gained so much support since 2020, right? Please tell me where you think Trump will overperform from 2020 and beat Joe Biden this time. Because he lost by over 7 million votes last time so that's a lot of ground to cover. Pretending that he has gained ground anywhere is just disingenuous.

    yes but he lied about the whole stormy daniels thing. that's what got him in trouble, not having an affair with a porn star, though it's despicable considering the guys wife was pregnant at the time. that aside, he lied about it and tried to cover it up with payments to the porn star to keep her quiet. it's actually quite different than old hunter because hunter was paying on the spot with his hookers. Trump didn't pay anything until he was running for president and needed to keep it quiet. So he lied and lied and tried to cover it up.
     
  4. Rex

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    Too bad for your racist hero that he didn't declassify those things while in office, as he admits on audiotape. Sometimes it's hard to tell where your dishonesty ends and your willful ignorance begins. Did I just say that? Your dishonesty NEVER ends and whatever you're ignorant about, including this issue, is just a product of your character.
     
  5. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    We do not disagree that Obama had every right to do what he did. By that same token, every governmental agency and branch of government knew about it either slightly before (Congress/Senate/NSA/CIA, etc.) or when Obama made it public. None one single one of those agencies had to wonder what Obama decided. They knew. What you are asking us to believe is that a President could think to himself that he or she declassified something without every notifying anyone else. Although the declassfication subject is irrelevant because classification isn't relevant to Trump's case, I am indulging your lunacy with some logic on the matter. So...Trump claims he declassified the docs he took to Mar-a-lago. Let's pretend for a second that it would matter but we both know it wouldn't. He claims he told no one else that he was declassifying those documents....he just did it with his mind. What good is that? If no one else knows the decision has been made, how can they carry out the wishes of the President when they declassify? What good is leadership if you don't tell the foot soldiers what you've decided?
     
  6. Jmg

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    good thats a start. can you explain why he had that right to declassify?

    we are getting there.

    do you think obama was required to clear anything before he spoke? with who? the people working for him, at his direction?
     
  7. Jmg

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    so that is possible then, whats the procedure for that?
     
  8. Jmg

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    thats correct. he can. if that is not correct, then what is the procedure?

    biden couldnt, which is why his storage of documents was less legal
     
  9. Jmg

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    did hunter properly attribute the expenses on his expense forms?
     
  10. Jmg

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    because the foot soldiers can just treat all the materials as classified. they dont have declassification powers. but they can of course make material public at the order of the president. because the president has very broad declassification powers, being the boss.
     

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