Trump indicated!

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  1. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Nah. It’s just some papers and notes. No one needs to die.
     
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  2. Jmg

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    i see so why is this a serious crime then? just a document ownership dispute
     
  3. Jmg

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    i think he can. as president he can take a classified document, and show it to me or post it on twitter if he wants. he declassified it. didnt do anything other than decide it was not classified anymore.
     
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  4. Tiger in NC

    Tiger in NC There's a sucker born everyday...

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    Irrelevant and just more noise. Have his lawyers made this claim?
     
  5. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    You seem confused. His lawyers need not claim anything. The Supreme Court has ruled.

    It is of legal fact the president is the “Supreme Authority” on material.

    Joe Biden today can email whatever TS document he wants to whomever.


    When they had the same issue with Bill Clinton:
    https://casetext.com/case/judicial-watch-inc-v-natl-archives-records-admin

    "The Court notes at the outset that there is broad language in Armstrong I stating that the PRA accords the President “virtually complete control” over his records during his time in office. 924 F.2d at 290. In particular, the court stated that the President enjoys unconstrained authority to make decisions regarding the disposal of documents: “[a]lthough the President must notify the Archivist before disposing of records ... neither the Archivist nor Congress has the authority to veto the President's disposal decision.” Id., citing H.R. Rep. No. 95–1487, at 13 (1978), reprinted in 1978 U.S.C.C.A.N. at 5744. Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records."

    "But even if the Court were inclined to agree with plaintiff's reassessment of President Clinton's decision, it would not alter the conclusion that the injury cannot be redressed: the PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President. 44 U.S.C. § 2203(a)- (b). While the plaintiff casts this lawsuit as a challenge to a decision made by the National Archives, the PRA makes it clear that this is not a decision the Archivist can make, and in this particular case, it is not a decision the Archivist did make because President Clinton's term ended in 2000, and the tapes were not provided to the Archives at that time. To the extent that there was a subsequent classification decision the Archivist purported to make, see supra note 2, or to be more accurate, a decision to decline to revisit the President's classification decision, any injury plaintiff claims it suffered as a result would not be redressable because there is nothing under the statute that the Court can compel the Archivist to do."


    Keep in mind, these are not secrets, these are documents that a library wanted.

    The reason why, I think, JMG and myself keep going back to his authority is like the Russia Gate shit.

    Once it was well known this was all fake, the new spins was, well, "obstruction".

    All the charges are around the presumption Trump did not have authority to wipe his ass with these documents. He did.
     
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  6. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    In other words, Joe Biden can go on live TV today and tell the nation every single Top Secret thing he knows, and he has complete authority to do so. Not one single Republican could charge him for such.

    Though, none of this will sway you TDS folks. You have been wrapped up in Trump for many years now.
     
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  7. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    Sure, but it's not relevant. Joe Biden is the President, donald trump is not. Joe Biden is entitled to possess and reveal those documents, donald trump is not. Any power donald trump had to do those things vanished when he left office; now he's a criminal because those things are ILLEGAL for private citizens.

    Of course not, because it's a stupid defense.

    Looks like somebody's embarrassed.
     
  8. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 PureBlood

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    Trump was president when he took ownership of the documents.

    As I linked, same thing with the Clinton case. Clinton deemed he was entitled to the tapes and after he left office people tried to say otherwise. As I linked, the Supreme Court agreed that Clinton had the authority to take and KEEP said tapes.

    Same applies here.
     
  9. Rex

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    But what you're really telling us is that it's perfectly OK with you that a president defeated at the polls, and pissed off about it, can declare top secret/classified documents as his own personal records, to do with as he pleases, including selling them to the highest bidder, no matter how much it damages our security or endangers our soldiers and spies or harms our allies, as long he gets to "own the libs."

    But I don't think even THIS corrupt Supreme Court will agree that a president can declare anything and everything his own personal records. None of what you posted in that Bill Clinton case would compel the Court to allow an abuse of discretion.
     
  10. Rex

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    Well, guess what. Even IF those records are his private property (which of course is ridiculous) certain forms of possession are still criminal. It's STILL a Federal crime to take and possess and conceal national defense secrets, just as with a child porn collector who possesses and conceal photos of naked children. But it won't go that far, anyway... there's no way even this corrupt Supreme Court will state that the Clinton decision allows trump to take national defense secrets home with him.
     

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