Politics This is what the founding fathers meant about the danger of partisanship

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Veteran Member

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    Defending Roy Moore and Bob Menendez to preserve a senate seat rather than hold to your stated principles show how deeply the country has sunk into the mire. When George Washington warned us to “beware the perils of partisanship” he wasn’t speaking of political parties. They were already forming around Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. No he was talking about the excess were seeing now. https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...ess-warned-us-about-hyper-partisanship-214616

    The democrats haven’t rebuked Menendez because Chris Christy would name a republican to fill it. The republicans are loath to turn on Roy Moore who beside likely being a statutory rapist has proven he’s unfit to be dog catcher much less senator for the same reason. It’s time we woke up people. Hold you partisan allies to the high standards we need to be an effective society. This article says it all.
    http://reason.com/blog/2017/11/10/roy-moore-sexual-assault-gop-jeff-flake

    This is a question everyone needs to look into his soul and [email protected], @Rex @Tiger in NC @LSUpride123 @GiantDuckFan etc. Are you men and women of honor or snakes in the grass who would deal with the devil to win your race? It’s a question whose answer if fundamental to our survival as a great nation.
     
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  2. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    I have always said that we should not have political parties. No political party affiliations should be allowed on any ballot for any Federal office, and any rules in Congress that honor parties as matters of policy and distinction should be abolished.

    That's never going to happen, though, and, in the meantime, there is no question that the parties are qualitatively different. The aim of the Republican Party is plutocracy.... monied interests of the privileged above the general welfare of the many. We can't have that.
     
  3. Winston1

    Winston1 Veteran Member

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    Oh yes they’re pure evil and the democrats Simon pure. Get off your trolling high horse Rex and be honest for once. The democrats are as petty and grasping and vindictive as the republicans. Neither one holds to any principle other than the addiction of power and money.
     
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  4. Rex

    Rex Founding Member

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    Well, being half correct there is an improvement over your usual stuff.
     
  5. COTiger

    COTiger 2010 Bowl Pick 'Em Champ

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    Your dealer must have gotten his hands on some really good stuff for you. So where does this rank in comparison to say Pearl Harbor?
     
  6. Winston1

    Winston1 Veteran Member

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    You ever read Roman history? Do you know why the Roman republic failed and Julius Caesar and his adopted great nephew Octavian (Augustus) were forced by faction to revolt & overthrow it and form the Principate?
    Do you know the cause of the English civil war? Do you know why Charles the lost his head? Why his rejection of the laws and traditions that formed the English constitution created a resolute opposition in Cromwell and his roundheads ?
    Did you know anything about what happened just before the civil war in the 1850s? Why did the compromises of the years before collapse and Lincoln’s election lead to the civil war?
    Political factions reached a point where winning at all costs was more important than the good of the country. This isn’t as much about right and wrong; left and right as it is about living together in some comity. It’s about understanding that losing an election isn’t the end of things but a step a long the way. It’s about understanding that winning doesn’t give you the right to run roughshod over your opponents. If you do you can’t risk losing again because you’ll get paid back in spades.
    It seems we’re on that precipice where neither side cares about anything but winning and exacting their revenge. In the long run it’s much more dangerous than a Pearl Harbor.
     
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    dachsie Freshman

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    To add to that, we no longer have a free press. Its conservative vs liberal. I don't know that I could name a neutral journalist
     
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  8. LSUpride123

    LSUpride123 Boobies make everything A OK!!!

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    Good thing we have the second amendment. Not worried.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    I get where you're coming from, Winston but could those historical events been prevented by the general population of those countries? I have to say no. I agree with you that both sides of our political system is a cesspool. But how to change it? While you and I and the people we encounter everyday may mostly agree we are under the influence of the same forces that brought down Rome and all the other similar downfalls of civilization. To make matters worse now there is an instant and constant flow if information, some of it true but most of it false or pure drive. Any idiot can make a brief name for himself with a tweet.

    Who can turn the tide? I don't think there is an American Ghandi on the horizon. And if there were he would be ripped to shreds by the media
     
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    You are boringly easy to figure out. No parties just you say. In your mind that means no opposition which is what you want. The second amendment is there to keep people like you from achieving that there Adolf.
     
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