That isn't the story though. They conspiracy theory is that he was fragged because he volunteered the unit for undesirable and dangerous missions.
occams razor, try to understand what it means. just because you imagine something doesnt mean it is true. you can make up something crazy all you want, and sure, maybe it is true. but the ACTUAL story makes a zillion times more sense. it isnt that i lack the ability to think critically, in fact i am better than anyone here at that skill, it is that i am able to discern when something is absolute nonsense and people are believing it purely because they want to tell their friends they have to amazing ability to see behind the curtain. i dunno why i respond to you, i wish i didnt. i genuinely hate you and think you are the worst sort of person. how do you know that? where have you been schooled on the relative likelihood of such things? are you aware that friendly fire is a constant in every war. a ****ing constant? are you not listening when i tell you that all throughout history military deaths are rewritten as hero stories? why must you invent something tremendously less likely than the thing that has happened in every war forever and should be expected? because you are a tool, thats why.
yes i do know that, and i also know the number of deaths due to friendly fire have increased from war to war. I also know people cover things up so the truth doesn't surface. you can call me names thats cool, i probably am a tool. but i'm a tool that doesn't believe everything i am told just because.....
right. think about why they cover things up. use your head for once. they cover up things because they want to save the feelings of everyone involved. why do you not believe my story about the monkeys? honestly, really answer that question. do you think that "just because" other people might say it isnt true, that it automatically isnt true? or is it perhaps because it would mean all sorts of other things you know are unlikely would have to be true in order for it to happen. monkeys would have to be trained, they would have to secretly be awesome and competent and inserted into the battle, taught who to shoot. so you know all that is ludicrous, for actual reason, not "just because" other people told you my theory was crazy. you are not some incredible master of critical thinking that is able to determine what is true in spite of misinformation. can you understand why military deaths are fudged? is that possible? we are trying to make war heroes. can you see that? why is that something you resist? why substute an absurd pile of nonsense when the realty is so clear? who would call for killing tillman? would the whole thing be arranged, where he is, who pulls the trigger, how to keep the press away? my brother in law was nearby, he is special forces intelligence. is he involved, or was he paid to keep quiet. can soldiers even be paid to keep quiet when their brothers in arms are being killed? is the story about soldiers forming incredible brotherhood bonds not true in tillman's case because he is an ass and his allies want him dead? was the triggerman a cold-blooded black ops killing machine? or perhaps he was just a confused soldier repeating the same mistake that has been made since warfare began? what is your ****ing problem? maybe if we push this investigation hard enough we can motivate the poor sap that shot the national hero to kill himself.
Are you trying to say that the government would cover things up to save peoples families any undue mental anguish but would not cover things up for more material gains, like for example increased economic or military power? You must be joking. The people who are most likely in the positions of power in goverment are precisely those individuals who value power and money over anything else, including ethical behavior. I've always been curious why you write things like that. How does that benefit you or your argument?
it doesnt benefit my argument. i just want you to know that there are people like me that understand human nature well enough to see what motivates you. extreme narcissism.
Extreme narcissism? Really...well, why don't you avoid derailing this thread with your personal attacks and start a new thread on flabengal's exteme narcissism so the rest of the board can continue to enjoy this thread. Wait a second, did I just request my own thread? Does that make me narcissistic? Damn this pyscho-terror, martin! Seriously, your premise that the goverment lies to protect people's emotions but would not lie in the interest of self-enrichment is laughable. Let's face it. The government does what most individuals of weak moral character do...they lie when it benefits them and they tell the truth when it benefits them. Didn't the romans have some saying about that and how to determine who was really behind a political assassination or similar scenario. Who benefits? Who benefited the most from the attacks on 9/11? Certainly not the Taliban....I doubt they really started it. And if OBL was working for the Taliban he should have had his ass handed to him after pissing off the most powerful military in the history of the world....
you are not accusing the government of lying, you are accusing them of murdering their own soldiers. try to understand that. try to use your brain for a second. i dont deny that the government lies. i am telling you our government doesnt send kill squads out to murder american celebrity soldiers to prevent them from ever speaking against policy. again, i cant talk to you, the existence of people as terrible as you kinda gets me down. enjoy yourself.
I am curious if you know that the French government shelled their own troops in WWI? Do you think the men that make up our government are better human beings than the other human beings on the planet or something? Do you work for the government or something? I don't understand your insistence that the government is infallible when all evidence is to the contrary. The entire point of the Constitution is to limit the power of government because everyone was so wary of abuses of power by government. Government using its power to abuse the population in whatever way it wishes is practically the rule in history, not the exception. Where have you been that this is news to you?
I don't believe it because i don't think monkeys are indigenous to afghanistan. I mean i could be mistaken. As far as my ****ing problem, gee man i didn't know my opinion, or lack thereof was so important to you. I appreciate that. Now, i answered you, you answer me, is it ignorant to believe that people in high ranking jobs, in government, law enforcement, military, etc. commit atrocities and try to cover them up? Has it not ever been done before? Is there no precedent? I could be a buffoon, and I am sure many would jump at the chance to call me that, or a stupid stoner, hippie, who has fried his brain, blah blah blah, but damn dude come on, are soldiers hero's, hell yes they are, I have a friend who is burned from head to toe and unrecognizable, f**k yes he is a hero. Is Pat Tillman a hero, f**k yes he is a hero, but the facts are simple, the military lied to his family and said he was killed by terrorists, and burned his sh!t. If they do that all the time, like you implied, how is that right? How can you lie to a mother who's son just gave his life for his country? On another note, you should see Pat's brother's speech at his funeral. I think you would enjoy it.
