The TPP and Warren vs Obama

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    No Red you don't forget the past but use new data to reevaluate it.
    FACT since the Rs gained a majority in the senate congress has worked much better. FACT much of the work has been bipartisan. FACT the senate operates under regular order.
    FACT when Harry Reid ran the senate there was NO regular order.
    FACT when Harry Reid ran the senate there was NO bipartisan law making.
    FACT when Harry Reid ran the senate partisan anger was the highest and less work got done.
    That shows that it was thought politically expedient by the Ds to blame the Rs for obstruction when they were in fact the main source. That they were wrong was shown in November when they were overwhelmingly rejected.
    Maybe one of the reasons the Rs are working like they are is that they believe the way the senate worked for over 200 years (as its being run now) is the right way and Harry Reid's way was an aberration.
    Finally whatever their reasons they are running the senate and congress as the founders intended. The Ds especially Harry Reid didn't.
    That my friend is why your argument is tired and no longer valid.
     
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  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    How? For who? The Republicans?

    Which work? What bills were bi-partisan? Where are the actual FACTS?

    Whoa. You ignore the Republican Congress under Bush which ran roughshod over the Democrats. When they got a bit of their own medicine you got outraged.

    Not at all. I notice you have consistently failed to mention the Republican controlled House of Representatives which has broken all records for obstructionism.

    In the House Republican leadership has been following what is called the “Hastert Rule” to obstruct bills that would win with a majority vote. This is not a real “rule”; it is a partisan method of limiting what Democrats and moderate Republicans can accomplish. Republican leadership will not bring a bill up for a vote unless a majority of Republicans are for it. In other words, even if a bill would pass with most Democrats and some Republicans voting in favor, it can’t even get a vote unless it fits with Republican doctrine.

    The GOP earned the title "the Party of NO" for a very good reason. They have filibustered hundreds of bills since Obama was elected. In fact, they filibustered all of them. Who can forget the terrible cost to the economy of the government shutdown? There was a direct cost of $24 billion, but also the reduced fourth-quarter GDP growth from 3 percent to 2.4 percent. And the continuing harm from loss of confidence in our government’s ability to, well, govern.

    Senate Republicans continue to impose an across-the-board virtual hold on every executive branch nomination....Republican foot-dragging has created a backlog of more than 100 nominees, almost none of whom are controversial.
     
  3. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Funny @red55 you're living in the past. You fail to answer the point I made that since the November elections Congress has been working. Here is proof in an article in the Washington Post by Chris Cillizza (not a right wing sympathizer). http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/04/21/suddenly-congress-is-actually-working-why/
    A quote from the article "Following the collapse of the Grand Bargain talks in the summer of 2011, Reid essentially shut down the Senate (presumably at President Obama’s request) until after the presidential election. . . . Now, McConnell is making the Senate work again, and President Obama (in the final quarter of his presidency) would like some sort of second-term legacy. So things are moving."
    In response to your comment about the Republican led house, again you forget or ignore the house passed bill after bill that Harry Reid would not address. Even if they were one sided (and many were) if Harry had allowed regular order and considered them the current action implies some more results were possible. It was Harry's actions that bottled up congress. BTW the so called Hastert rule is no longer in force so forget about it.
    You bitch about the hold on nominations which the Ds raised to a fine art...remember where 'Borking' came from, yet ignore the recent movement.
    So please Red don't try to BS us with the past. This is about what has happened since the Rs took control and the record is clear. There is more & more evidence that the myth of obstructionist Rs is as false as the one saying president is a
    Muslim.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I find it amusing that republicans expect everybody to forget past Republican issues. Forget Bush's incompetence, forget the obstruction, forget the wars. It's all in the past and we'll never do it again. Sure pal, whatever you say . . . :rolleyes:

    No, obstruction is something, like media bias, that there can be disagreement about. Obama being a muslim is simply a lie.
     
  5. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Funny how you don't have a reply to the points I made about the current congress. All you have is the past.
     
  6. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    Checkmate
     
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  7. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    And yet the game goes on. And on. And on.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I asked you what current progress? What bipartisan legislation? You ignored those questions like you ignored the shenanigans in the House of Representatives.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You ain't even in the game, Poindexter. You sound like BengalB trying to be relevant.
     
  10. tirk

    tirk im the lyrical jessie james

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    I figured I'd give you an out to deflect.
     

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