The TPP and Warren vs Obama

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  1. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    Why is Obama trying to fast track this deal, and why won't he be more transparent as to the terms? Why is it so important to finalize this deal before the terms are disclosed to the American people?
     
  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Trade deals are usually very good for America and an international free market has always had bipartisan support. This one is important because it is intended to counter China who also wants trade deals across the Pacific and into Europe. Why Obama is fast-tracking it and trying to get it done with a minimum of Congressional debate is unclear, but probably because he has little time left in office and because it is an election year and he expects the usual Republican obstructionism of any plan he makes . . . even if it right up their ally.

    Warren is fighting it from the extreme left because the unions and the environmentalists are against it.
     
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  3. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Presidents go for fast track because in today's world there isn't room for the senate to change clauses and terms. It is something presidents of both parties use and frankly I support include president Obama's use of it. (Don't have a heart attack @red55).
    Warren and the left are on the wrong side of this argument. Free trade is truly astimulent to a good economy. Protectionism strangles progress. NAFTA and other trade agreements have ended up being a positive and have increased jobs and wealth in the U.S.
     
  4. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    You might rethink that last statement if you take a visit to central North Carolina and take a gander at the hundreds and probably thousands of textile mills and factories, and the communities they supported, that are long closed and slowly crumbling.
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    But this one has Obama involved in it so it should be looked at very closely. Of course he in 8 years has yet to understand the checks and balances concept and just does whatever the hell he wants to do while wiping his muslim ass with our constitution. Can't get this trader out of the white house fast enough.
     
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  6. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Yes that happened as did steel making and auto factories change in the east.
    Yet there are new steel mills in Al, La and all over. Look at the many car plants through the south. I go to Pittsburg and other cities and see positive things happening.
    Things change and frankly the textile jobs in NC were not good jobs. There will always be places where change hurts yet they recover. It seems NC is doing pretty well isn't it?
    No one said it would be easy or with out ruts but if you stick to the past "they way things have always been" you will end up the poorer by far
     
  7. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Oh that he were a trader and not a " constitutional law professor"/ social activist. Yes is is worrisome but he is at least pushing in the right direction this time. He has decent advisors on this deal as well. Finally if he makes a total screw up the senate can kill it. They can't amend it but to go into effect it has to be approved by the senate. It still has to be approved by a 2/3 majority so he does have limits.
     
  8. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    The ACA says hi

    That shit got pushed through on some back door clandestine left wing bamboozling. Why are we to think this won't happen the same damn way.
     
  9. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    You know I have little faith in the president. The ACA put a huge bureaucracy in place and was a bad deal both fiscally and philosophically.
    The TPP won't put a bureaucracy in place or socialize trade.
    Trade is the lifeblood of our economy and the backbone of our strength. There is so much to gain that that it trumps my understanding the president's incompetence.
     
  10. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    BTw the extreme left wing is violently against the TPP. Shouldn't that be a clue that it should be supported?
     

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