The Rich needed the tax cuts...

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by LaSalleAve, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    The thing redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor is the question who is rich? Once you get the millionare's money who is next. I don't feel rich. My wife and I together make a lil more than 100 k. Am I rich and do I need to pay more? Where is the line. The refinary I work at just finished a very large expanision. There were 8000 people working on it every day. I watched people in a little park sit there with little brown bags and drink. They could have worked next door at the refinary if they could pass a hair sample drug test. There were at least 60 of them out there every day waiting for cars to stop so they could run to them and peddle their goods. These people didn't want to work. They got their goverment handouts and sat in the park all day. I know they got goverment hand outs because I have seen them buying lunches with goverment issued cards. They had no want to work. Are these the people I should pay more taxes for because I'm lucky and have a good job? The goverment's job is to provide the oppertunity for those who want to better themselves. The goverment shouldn't steal from one person to give to another. I would bet that many of the young men sitting in that park could have got a job at the refinary or could have went to a vo tech and learned a trade on a grant. They choose not to work or go to school because they get paid anyway.
     
  2. Rwilliams

    Rwilliams Veteran Member

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    Why should I have to take away from my family and pay more taxes to support someone who choses not to work? I am for grants to the poor to go to school and earn a trade but am against handouts. I have a son that is legally blind and is disabled. We do not qualify for any goverment help. We have been turned down three times by the state and federal goverment. I spend around fifteen thousand on his medical bills yearly. If he can't get goverment help then why should I support all the goverment handouts to people who chose not to work. I must take hair sample drug test every three months. When a state bill was declared to make people on welfare take drug test the dems went nuclear. Why should I take drug test to work and get paid and these other people who get paid not have to do the same. The question here is who is rich. When you want the rich to pay more then who is rich and who gets more goverment assistance. Why do they deserve more assistance. They do not even try to go to work. Why is it ok for me to take drug test and they don't have to? Is it because as long as these voters are kept on the goverment tit they will continue to vote for those willing to make sure the goverment will pay them no strings attatched?
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    They took it from you because you pay a higher overall tax rate.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    BS. Not if they got richer from tax breaks that most of us can't also enjoy. The rich are greedy.

    Tax breaks for the wealthy and deregulation of the finance industry.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This is a tired republican straw man. No one has advocated redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor. I advocate fair taxation and a progressive tax rate so that the people who have benefitted the most from the nation's freedom and capitalism pay their fair share of taxes.

    Another discredited republican line. They try to make the situation look like the middle class has everything in common with the wealthy and it's "us" against the shiftless lazy poor. Nothing could be further from the truth. The gap is between the rich and the middle class, not between the middle class and the poor. The rich and those that kiss their asses simply don't care about anyone but themselves.

    The rich have hoodwinked the right wing middle class into thinking that, due to their hard work and success, that they are honorary rich people.

    And let me point out again that the poor are not lazy and unwilling to work. Most of the poor are working and making low incomes. Those too lazy to work are mostly homeless street people and they receive no benefits at all. The welfare rolls are very small since the Clinton reforms. Almost all have dependent children and are limited to 3 years during which time they have to seek work or receive training.

    Another big section of the poor are elderly and disabled people on social security. They worked hard all their careers, but are living on a subsistence income now. You know such people. College students are poor, too. They won't always be, but college consists of some lean years for most of us.

    Great nations don't have large underclasses of impoverished people and an ultra-rich upper class. This has always led to dissent and revolution. Don't think that it can't happen here.
     
  6. Rex_B

    Rex_B Geaux Time

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    Rich man pays $1M in taxes uses no services.

    Poor man pays $0 in taxes uses all services.

    Ahh fair and balanced. Ugh.
     
  7. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    "psst" just another way to say "take from the rich guy and give it to the poor guy" make them think it is something else. Slight of hand folks.
     
  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What the hell do you mean? :lol: The rich use tons of government services. Their fortunes are aided by the Federal Reserve and protected by the military. Diplomats represent their interests in overseas trade that is also protected by our navy. Their businesses utilize the free interstate highway system. Firefighters protect their homes and businesses, police protect them from thieves. The Post Office delivers their mail.

    They get social security, disability, and medicare too, you know.
     
  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Make your case, then. Good luck.
     
  10. CParso

    CParso Founding Member

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    It's all relative. Absolute wealth is important in it's own right (we don't want people starving), but the wealth gap is important because people compare themselves to others. The Wealth Gap was an integral driver in the falling of many nations before us.
     

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