The problem with our country summarized

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by HalloweenRun, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Tiger here we go again. It isn't how hard one works it is the value or perceived value that those who pay. Also how do you define hard work? Is it physical labor or hours worked or what? Let's face it a farm hand or ditch digger has a harder physical job than most. Many of the rich bankers or doctors or attorneys work 80-100 hrs a week. I bet Mitt put in many long days in his job. He and all candidates make 100 hr work weeks look light with the schedule they keep.

    How do you define worth? Society defines it in how they value. I mean does Hollywood stars really earn their money if you judge how hard they work or what they produce. Yet they do earn their money because of how they attract audiances. Similarily athaletes earn it the same way.

    So the question isn't whether Mitt worked harder (he may or may not have) but his work was valued more by the people who paid him (his investors).

    Wonder how Red will weigh in.
     
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  2. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    in all fairness Romney has created alot of jobs in other countries.
     
  3. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    Barry has created lots of jobs in other countries as well. But he has added a bunch of people to the welfare and un-employment lines here.
     
  4. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Like all those Solyndra jobs and othe solar power jobs he created. Well there were the ones for his campaign contributors who were given the $500MM loans.
     
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  5. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    and don't forget the Chevy Volt that the taxpayers are buying again. 1200 ordered by Pentagon so they can be "enviromentally friendly".
     
  6. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    Is this is bad because you are a bigot? You don't think those people are poor? Or is it that you do nott give a fuck about people.
     
  7. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    a little of both.
     
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  8. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    Or is maybe that you don't Americans to be able to freely pay foreigners to do things for them?

    Try to get it through you dumb fucking skull. Free trade benefits everyone. Everyone. Everything done to restrict free trade hurts everyone. Farm bills, bad, subsidy for American business bad, blocks and tariffs bad. Freedom, hugely hugely good.

    The whole solution, the path to global peace and prosperity is free trade and secularism. Religion and poverty are the causes of every problem.
     
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    martin Banned Forever

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    Sorry about the insulting, I get fired up because I care so much about my fellow man. Just kidding.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Bias. Of course the people he enriched value him. The people he laid off certainly didn't. The people he lost money for certainly didn't. America losing jobs doens't value his work highly.

    Worth is relative. Always has been. Always will be.

    American executives are immensely overpaid in general. Overpaid relative to past executive performance/compensation ratios. Overpaid relative to foreign compensation of executives. Overpaid relative to investor profits. There is no barometer to effective tie their wages to performance.
     

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