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Schiavo's parents were the ones acting in their own best interest, not her husband. They were being selfish (as silly as it might sound to say), and didn't want their daughter to die - their decision wasn't based on what they thought she would want.

Her husband had nothing to gain, and for that reason I believe it was he who was acting in her best interest & truley believed it is what she would have wanted.

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I think the most pathetic part of the whole Schiavo case was the people pretending to care about her because it backed their cause.

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From that same article,

In a lawsuit, the Schindlers alleged to Florida's Department of Family and Children Services that Michael Schiavo tried to starve her, beat her, inappropriately medicated her and wanted her dead to gain financially.

According to documents released after her death, the department concluded after what it called extensive investigations that "no information or evidence was found to support the allegations," and noted that conclusion was supported by years of legal and medical documentation.
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Makes you wonder about the character of the parents...

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CParso said:

Schiavo's parents were the ones acting in their own best interest, not her husband. They were being selfish (as silly as it might sound to say), and didn't want their daughter to die - their decision wasn't based on what they thought she would want.

Her husband had nothing to gain, and for that reason I believe it was he who was acting in her best interest & truley believed it is what she would have wanted.
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Once again, you show how little you truly understand what is going on around you CParso. He had nothing to gain huh? :dis:

Terri was condemned to death because of the push of pro-choice and right-to-die factions promoting their culture of death. As usual, the media played along with their biased reporting and polls. Perhaps if the polls were more accurately worded, the outcome would have turned out differently. These are the questions the media polls should have been asking America:

Assume you were disabled and couldn’t speak, and your unfaithful spouse had just won a $1.4 million medical malpractice suit to provide therapy for you. After he had collected the money, he “suddenly remembered” you wanted to be starved to death. Would you want him to continue having guardianship over you or turn you over to your loving parents who are willing and able to care for you?
_____Unfaithful Husband
_____Loving Parents

If the judge knew from court records that your unfaithful husband had stopped your antibiotic treatments, put your cats to death, had your wedding ring melted down for cash, refused to repair your wheelchair or allow hospice workers to take you outside, and is currently living with another woman whose two children he fathered, would you like him to strip your husband’s guardianship over you because he wasn’t acting in your best interest?
_____Yes
_____No

Should Judge George Greer have recused himself for taking contributions from Michael Schiavo’s attorneys?
_____Yes
_____No

In 1998, Michael Schiavo petitioned Judge Greer for permission to remove Terri’s feeding tube, although it wasn’t considered artificial life support at the time. A year later, the Florida legislature changed Florida law to include feeding tubes in the definition of artificial life support, and Greer retroactively applied the law back to 1985, when Michael Schiavo claimed to remember Terri telling him that she wouldn’t want to be kept alive artificially. Was this ethical?
_____Yes
_____No

“I always say the law is where we define the beginning of life and the end of life, and that’s exactly what was going on here… and I think as a matter of law, if you go—particularly to the 14th Amendment, [you] can be denied due process, have your life or liberty taken without due process of law… I would have kept the tube in.” — Senator Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.)
Were Terri’s constitutional rights violated?
_____Yes
_____No

Would you like to be married to Michael Schiavo?
_____Yes
_____No
_____Depends if there’s any money left after paying the attorney’s fees
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Once again Salty, you fail to realize the possability of differing opinions. I see the whole picture, it just isn't the same one you see.

Michael had already collected the money. If he felt it was in the best interest of Terri, he could have let the parents continue to take care of her. He had nothing to gain by ending her life.

Terri was a vegetable. He had to move on. I don't blame him. Does that mean he's no longer capable of loving her & caring about her best interest? Absolutely not.

I guess Michael is supposed to remember every conversation he & terrie had? Ending artificial life isn't exactly a day to day topic families discuss regularly. I don't blame him for not remembering exactly whether she had specifically said what she'd want.

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I quote CNN to show that she's brain dead, and Salty quotes some e-mail forwarded to him to show my lack of understanding.

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CParso said:

I quote CNN to show that she's brain dead, and Salty quotes some e-mail forwarded to him to show my lack of understanding.
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So CNN is your unbiased source for facts?

Here, read the rest of the article......

In Florida, it’s against the law to starve a pet to death. Starving a convicted felon is prohibited because it is cruel and unusual punishment. But according to Florida Circuit Court Judge George Greer, it’s perfectly appropriate to order the tortuous starvation and dehydration death of an innocent woman—even when based on hearsay evidence from an adulterous husband.

It isn’t the first time Greer made such a fatal error in judgment. Previously, he failed to protect a woman who petitioned his court for a restraining order against her abusive husband. Citing a lack of evidence, Greer refused her request, and a week later she was stabbed to death by her husband.

The sad case of Terri Schiavo has been intensely watched and debated throughout the world. We Americans have been compared to the Nazis who used starvation to torture those held in concentration camps. It has been noted that the Geneva Convention identifies starvation as an unacceptable war crime, while the human rights organization, Amnesty International, cites starvation as inhumane.

On the international front, our country’s judiciary isn’t looking too good. Even American citizens are left dazed and confused on how something this atrocious could happen in this country. Across political lines, President Bush, Governor Jeb Bush, Joe Lieberman, Jesse Jackson, Alan Dershowitz, Ralph Nader, and the United States Congress all came to Terri’s defense, but the “men in black” thumbed their noses at them all.

Elected judges routinely refer to the biased media polls to justify their actions. One would see polls with questions worded like this: If you were in a coma, and hooked up to artificial life support, would you want someone to pull the plug and let you die in peace? Terri Schiavo was NOT being “kept alive,” NOT dying, NOT brain-dead, NOT in a persistent vegetative state, and NOT suffering. Like tens of thousands of other disabled persons, Terri was connected to a feeding tube only at mealtimes because she couldn’t physically feed herself. In fact, Terri’s parents asked Judge Greer for permission to feed her by mouth—a request he immediately denied calling it an “experimental procedure.”

If food and water are considered “life support,” then we’re all on life support. Where do you draw the line for life support, America? Should grocery stores stop stocking their shelves? Doctors stop prescribing cold medicine? Shelters stop clothing the poor?

Michael Schiavo, Judge Greer, and the pro-death media claimed there was no hope for Terri. Dr. William Hammesfahr, nominated for the 1999 Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology, had examined Terri and her records. Successful with numerous cases similar to Terri’s, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that one day Terri would have been able to feed herself, talk, transport herself to a wheelchair, and have good use of one arm and hand with the proper rehabilitation. Predictably, Judge Greer ignored this information and never once visited Terri to observe her condition firsthand.

Terri was condemned to death because of the push of pro-choice and right-to-die factions promoting their culture of death. As usual, the media played along with their biased reporting and polls. Perhaps if the polls were more accurately worded, the outcome would have turned out differently. These are the questions the media polls should have been asking America:
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saltyone said:

So CNN is your unbiased source for facts?
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Well, they did quote Doctors. I could find more sources if you like.

But even if we go by your propoganda e-mail, I still responded reasonably.

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Well, they did quote Doctors. I could find more sources if you like.

But even if we go by your propoganda e-mail, I still responded reasonably.
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You missed this...

William Hammesfahr, nominated for the 1999 Nobel Prize in Medicine and Physiology, had examined Terri and her records. Successful with numerous cases similar to Terri’s, Dr. Hammesfahr stated that one day Terri would have been able to feed herself, talk, transport herself to a wheelchair, and have good use of one arm and hand with the proper rehabilitation.
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http://libertytothecaptives.net/hammesfahr_dr._report.html

I've read Dr. Hammesfahr's complete personal report, and it appears to me he was looking for things that weren't there.

He insists that she could communicate and show awareness of others, but I think this is simply a person drawing conclusion based on what he wants to think and not necessarily what's there.

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