Obama The Iran Deal We Should Have Done

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Are you going to believe Iranian propaganda? Seriously? He is speaking to his own parliament and reassuring the Iranian people. The people really, really want sanctions to end.
     
    red55, Jul 22, 2015
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    Tiger Exile Long time lurker

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    So doesn't that make it less likely that they will be unhappy enough to overthrow the government since the sanctions were lifted?
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    @red55 say without the deal Iran will have nukes in as little as a year and with the deal it will take them 10 or more years. If that's true then why isn't Israel for it?
     
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    TwistedTiger Founding Member

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    It's as believable as the bs propaganda spewed from the White House during this administration.
     
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  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Perhaps. It depends on whether the government see that the people get relief directly with the money that has been frozen. Critics claim that Iran will just use it to sponsor terrorism, but if they don't funnel it directly to address the problems the people have faced due to sanctions (shortages of medicine, bad infrastructure, no loans, etc) there will be social unrest again.

    The people will NOT want to see sanctions reimposed, that is the key factor here. The government will feel pressure NOT to do anything that will bring them back.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    The truth of the deal and what Israel thinks about it are not correlated in any way! Israel only cares about itself, not about us at all. Their national interests are not OUR national interests. We have funded them $billions each year to be able to defend themselves and now they expect us to do it for them now. That's some serious bullshit. They have over 200 nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. Remember also that "Israel" is Netanyahu policy tight now. The man has been tossed from office three times before and it will happen again because he does not represent Israel well. Still this keeps Israel from having to worry about an Iranian bomb next year. It would't be much worry, though, since Israel has huge retaliatory capability.
     
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  7. Tiger Exile

    Tiger Exile Long time lurker

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    One big bomb and there isn't an Israel left. Sure they have the ability to retaliate but that won't help the million plus dead Israelis in Tel Aviv and the surrounding areas.
     
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    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Yes, Israel only cares about itself. Which means that if the deal really pushed the day Iran will have nukes back 10 years they would be for it. Any Israeli PM is going to be aggressive in protecting the citizens security from the enemies that surround the nation. Whether Netanyahu is an idiot or not on economic policies or domestic policies he is not going to be soft when it comes to defense.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well, that's how mutual assured destruction works. It deters an attack because nobody wants the retaliation. It has always worked. No one has ever attacked a nation with nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. And it would take a lot more than one weapon to destroy Israel. The footprint of destruction of nuclear weapons is not a wide as commonly imagined.

    Moreover Iran doesn't have a device, much less a weaponized, miniature device. Nor do they have a delivery system except obsolete jets with insufficient range that Israel can easily shoot down if they somehow acquire tankers. And if they ever have a missile, we have provided Israel with an anti-missile defense system.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Nonsense. Israeli politics are intransigent in all circumstances. They don't care if the US is bankrupted trying solve their problems, most of which they caused.
     
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