Obama The Iran Deal We Should Have Done

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    There have been objections to the IAEA agreements with countries because they are confidential. Critics of the Iran deal have been suggesting that these confidential agreements are something sinister for weeks now. So now, conveniently, a draft document from an anonymous source is leaking that it allows Iranians to inspect their own facilities. No official is on the record with any of this, lets be clear.

    The document seen by the AP is a draft that one official familiar with its contents said doesn't differ substantially from the final version. He demanded anonymity because he isn't authorized to discuss the issue.​

    The Parchin deal is a separate, side agreement worked out between the IAEA and Iran. The United States and the five other world powers that signed the Iran nuclear deal were not party to this agreement. Without divulging its contents, the Obama administration has described the document as nothing more than a routine technical arrangement between Iran and the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency on the particulars of inspecting the site.​

    Not much of a confidential agreement, eh? The reason that confidential agreements are made is because countries don't want certain secret agreements revealed. The reason that you have inspections is to insure compliance. So now, it is being suggested, you have the IAEA letting Iran conduct its own IAEA inspections, which makes no sense to anybody. So this story is now leaked that Iran is bravely standing up to the UN to not let foreigners spy on them in the guise of inspectors. Saves Iran a lot of face back home doesn't it? Yet somehow the IAEA is still willing to agree. Interestingly the AP admits that the draft document does not reveal the whole agreement. Just what someone with an agenda wanted to leak.

    It is labeled "separate arrangement II," indicating there is another confidential agreement between Iran and the IAEA governing the agency's probe of the nuclear weapons allegations.
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    Maybe there is more in those other numbered secret IAEA agreements that Iran does not want its own hardliners or international opinion to know about. Perhaps there will indeed be IAEA outside inspectors, they will just not be publicly acknowledged. Otherwise there is no reason for the IAEA to inspect. Or for Iran to leak a specific portion of the agreement, if it is indeed the agreement. Or for us to not negate it under the P5+1 Agreement.

    Anonymous sources get it wrong, you know and they often have agendas. Ask the New York Times.
     
    red55, Aug 19, 2015
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  2. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Well what a surprise, senor rouge comes along to defend the Iranians being able to inspect their own facility. Shocking I tell ya.
     
    shane0911, Aug 20, 2015
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  3. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    He could spin it that Charles Manson should be in charge of the prison system.
     
    Bengal B, Aug 20, 2015
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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    If you could read, you would realize that I did not say that. I said that the "anonymous document" does not reveal what is actually in the IAEA "arrangement". And the IAEA arrangement is not the P5+1 agreement over Iran's nuclear weapons.
     
    red55, Aug 20, 2015
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    spin spin spin
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I know it's hard for you to understand. But we like you anyway.
     
    red55, Aug 20, 2015
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  7. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Carly Fiorina on the Iran deal.

    Republican presidential hopeful Carly Fiorina said on Sunday that, regardless of how Congress votes on the Iran nuclear agreement, the rest of the world is already committed to implementing the deal.

    "Even if Congress votes this deal down, and I sincerely hope they will, the rest of the world has moved on in terms of the money flow," Fiorina said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "[China and Russia] have wanted, for a very long time, to open the Iranian economy. They're in there. So are the Europeans.”

    But Fiorina added that it is not too late for the U.S. to back out of its obligations to provide sanctions relief to Iran and declare new terms for the deal. "The new deal will be this: the United States of America will make it as difficult as possible for you to move money around the global financial system unless and until you open every military and every nuclear facility to real, anytime, anywhere inspections," Fiorina said she would tell the Iranians if elected president.

    The current nuclear agreement between Iran, the U.S., the U.K., France, China, Russia and Germany provides for sweeping sanctions relief in return for Iran dismantling much of its nuclear infrastructure and committing to an unprecedented inspections regime. While declared nuclear facilities will be under 24/7 surveillance, inspectors must request access to undeclared facilities suspected of hosting illegal nuclear activity. The longest the Iranians can forestall inspections is 24 days.

    Fiorina’s demands that Iran provide unfettered access to its military sites would likely be a nonstarter. And if the U.S. were to renege on its promise to provide sanctions relief to Iran, the Iranians would have little incentive to follow through with their obligations to significantly downsize their nuclear program and allow increased access to inspectors.

    Though already approved in the United Nations Security Council, the nuclear accord faces a final hurdle in the U.S. Congress, where lawmakers will vote on whether to strip President Barack Obama of his ability to temporarily waive some sanctions on Iran. Obama needs one-third of either the House or the Senate to back the nuclear deal. With a vote expected in the Senate during the second week of September, the president currently has the promised support from 26 of the 34 Democrats he needs to protect the agreement.
     
    Bengal B, Aug 23, 2015
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  8. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    It's too late to get anything else. Just pass the deal and we can still blow them to smithereens if they crawfish on any of it.
     
    LaSalleAve, Aug 24, 2015
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  9. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This the bottom line. If they renege on the deal, we can always snap back the sanctions and the military option is never off the table. There is just no pressing need to get into another middle eastern war right now. And if we do not allow diplomacy to have a shot, there is no way we will get any international support for going to war. The 30 retired generals and admirals all said so. Let the pressure be on Iran to live up to the deal rather than us getting the blame for scuttling the deal and allowing Iran to develop a weapon within a year.
     
    red55, Aug 24, 2015
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  10. Bengal B

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    Bengal B, Aug 27, 2015
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