Obama The Iran Deal We Should Have Done

Think again. What a ridiculous thing to imagine.

 

What claim? I'm talking geopolitical realities. Both Iran, Israel, and us are all making propaganda. Don't believe any of it.

In fact, they attacked nuclear reactors. They attack Iraq's reactor twice. It was a power plant built by the French who had their own technicians killed in the attack. Don't swallow Israeli propaganda either. It doesn't matter what excuse they give, the fact is that Israel has made surprise air strikes against five countries with whom they were not at war. Any neighbor of Israel would be foolish to ignore this. The Iranians may be radical, but they are not fools.

Nonsense. Iran and Israel have been at odds ever since the fall of Lebanon and Iran began supporting Hezbollah.

The same way they did when they attacked Iraq. Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq cannot stop the Israeli Air Force. They have stealth drones, they have tankers but most importantly they have Jericho ICBM's and sumbarine-launched nuclear cruise missiles.

Do you ever read the news?

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015...r-talks-near-deal-israel-threatens-bomb-iran/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...weapons-equipment-intercepted-cargo-ship.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/06/israel.iran/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/0...s-threaten-tactical-strikes-against-iran.html

I am providing facts that you can't dispute, except with hollow rhetoric like this.

So they claim and you blindly believe. But you can't ignore that countries that have been bombed and threatened by Israel simply do not agree and have no reason at all to trust Israel.

You are believing your own propaganda. I've already pointed out plenty of justification for anybody in the region to be suspicious of Israel. No country in the middle east has attack more of their neighbors than Israel.

See, you can see reality when you try. This isn't a US-Iranian deal. It is a multi-national coalition and we need to behave like we are part of the team. Our ritual political self-destruction on all matter of foreign policy is killing us.

Their nuclear weapons are a credible threat and they are also an enemy of Israel. Where is your outrage over them? Pakistan limits Iranian ambitions in the region and vice versa. They are not on the verge of war, but they very much play into each others strategic ambitions. When each of them is not distracted by worse problems, they will be at odds.

Theoretically yes. But in practical terms, the US would not hinder Israel and might even help them, but we would seriously oppose a Russian invasion of the middle east. Putin is still dealing with the fallout from the Crimean annexation and the Russian have not forgotten the disastrous quagmire they got into in Afghanistan. Neither have we.

Research. It won't take you long to find it if you actually look.

They simply don't have the critical mass, the logistics, or the secure bases to endanger the existence of Israel. If Israel was willing to pay the political price, it could eliminate Hezbollah in a single campaign. But it would take a genocidal effort that Israel is sensitive about getting involved with. The rocket attacks piss off the Israelis as they are designed to do, but it hasn't affected their economy, their military capacity, or the morale of the Israelis. They haven't suffered anything like we did on 9/11 and that attack did not come close to causing our downfall.

Of course. So are we and every other country in the middle east. It is the nature of geopolitics.

Not at all. Rhetoric means nothing. World domination fantasies mean nothing. Saddam had the same intent. He attacked Israel and invaded Iran, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. What did it get him? Zippo and a early grave. The Iranians are not stupid. They haven't won a war since the 17th century. If they try something, they can be stopped. We don't have to worry about intents when their capabilities are known and defendable. The Saudis want to destroy Iran, but that ain't happening either.

 

Lame cop out. You either make your points or you fail to. We come here to argue politics.

And all you do is attack same. Spare me your crocodile tears.

Hard to say if he's in their pocket completely, but he is a jew who supports Israel in everything. He is in their pocket on this one. If he splits the party, he can kiss his minority leadership goodbye.

True enough, but Pakistan is also a muslim country, heavily anti-Shiite, and a player in Persian Gulf politics as well.

Without the treaty Iran will join Pakistan as a nuclear power within a year. Is that what you want instead of no nukes for a decade? What exactly do you want if you oppose this treaty?

The Saudis have put their trust in us for 75 years. Fact. Pakistan's renegade nuclear scientist also sold secrets to Iran and Libya, but that was 20 years ago, too. They are much more insular now. Pakistan has the only Islamic bomb and they want to keep it that way.