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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    It's a phony issue from the homophobes . . . and their apologists. The Supreme Court decided on this issue in 1878. Without a groundswell of public support like gay marriage received, they are unlikely to ever entertain it again. I see no groundswell of support for polygamy, do you?

    Suddenly you can't recognize a cynical remark? You raised a phony issue so I countered with one. But I didn't make it up.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...raud-bestiality-if-gay-marriage-is-legalized/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/07/pat-robertson-gay-marriag_n_199312.html

    People on the wrong side of this are raising all sorts of phony issues. Not just you.
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    There absolutely is, Trump is getting lambasted by the media and he 1. Didn't say a damn thing that was untrue and 2. In my opinion didn't say a damn thing that was racist.

    This is what I mean by America not being able to have this conversation or to handle the truth. It truly is sad.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    She did not. She said that she vowed " to bring a completely open mind" to the "hotly debated" topic.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, there were laws against homosexuality, which have long been overturned.

    Nonsense. You should re-read the definition of polygamy.
     
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    What? This is a former Mormon who feels that the court's decision has provided the opportunity to expand the definition of marriage.

    Does it need a groundswell? If they are being discriminated against, then the Court should hear their argument, right? Why are you opposed to polygamy as a form of legalized marriage?

    Cynical is fine....completely out of the scope of honest dialogue, is what I am criticizing. Bestiality claims by a few nutjobs is no different than the Confederate flag issue being defined by the KKK. Fringe whackos....Robertson is one of them and I don't recall having seen him post here. But who knows?

    This is exactly the kind of comment that is divisive, judgmental, and narrow minded. I see differing views, not right and wrong.
     
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    Her specific comments under direct questioning were evasive at best and my issue with that is her leanings were very clear. The LBGT activists were salivating for her confirmation and there's a reason for that. She constantly said that justices were not there to make law but to interpret but in this case, they have in fact, defined law as it relates to marriage, IMO.

    Kagan, OTOH, clearly stated in her confirmation hearings, that there is not Constitutional right to marriage.
     
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    True.
     
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    What's good for the goose is good for the duck
     
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    While I love the idea of anti-establishment in terms of a candidate, neither one of these people could entice me to vote for them. Trump? Lord. Is there a bigger moron out there?

    Sanders? He has a great plan for bankrupting this country and creating a huge population of people who do nothing but depend on the gubment for every single thing. I support what he does for veterans and his stance on immigration, particularly H1-B visas, but other than that, I wouldn't vote for him.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    So? He is entitled to an opinion. This is the old slippery slope argument, trying criticize the present ruling based on imagining what some polygamist might suggest in the future. There is no correlation. And it is a overt debate smokescreen. You've ignored a number of important questions I have asked you and are trying to direct the conversation elsewhere. It's martin 101. But it's OK, we'll deal with this and get back to them.

    If it is worth their attention! The Supreme court every year declines to consider thousands of lower court decisions that they deem trivial, not in their purview, or have already been decided upon. On the rare occasions when they do reconsider a decision, it is because public opinion has evolved. The groundswell of public opinion is shared by the judges among us. Slavery, suffrage, sexual orientation, whatever the issue, lawmakers and judges will also evolve in the best interests of The People. Should polygamy ever get widespread support among the citizenry, laws will be challenged, courts will make decisions, public opinion will sway or fail to. And The Court might decide to hear one of those decisions if has become apparent that the will of the people is best served by doing so. A handful of excommunicated mormons illegally practicing polygamy does not a groundswell of public opinion make. When this become a real issue, then we can discuss it.

    My aren't you determined. Please don't attempt to put words in my mouth. I don't give a rat's ass about polygamy one way or another. I was clearly pointing out that this polygamy argument you brought up is just a feller espousing his cause, has no widespread support, and the issue has no causal correlation with same sex-marriage. What do I think? Polygamy is one wife too many. Monogamy is the same. :D

    Hey, we try to have some fun here, don't we? Lighten the hell up. These debates can get tedious if not leavened with something lighter.

    You are breaking my heart. Really. Debate is a blood sport, Tex. To be any good in a knife fight you have to cut and be willing to get cut. Nothing personal.

    Ready to answer those questions?
     
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