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They feel the same way about your opinion....doesn't make either one more right than the other, just different.

Slews? Okay. But again, their opinion isn't the definitive one for all of Christianity. You only seem to have respect for an opinion if it's yours.

Evolve.....or remain principled. It's not so easy to stay true to your beliefs when people come along and tell you to "evolve." New Age bullshit. The only hate I see is from you. A devout person, doesn't even have to be religious, who does not support gay marriage does not equate to pouting, hating, and misery. That type of broad brush is what continually stalls discussion and a meeting of minds.

 

This is lame, even for you. No, I don't get squeamish. It's a concept that our SC justices shouldn't be defining or discussing when it comes to Constitutional rights. The Court doesn't hear every case they get pitched. And the issue, as outlined by the dissenting opinion, and shared by 4 of the Justices, is about Constitutional rights. Marriage is not one of them.

Yes, to me, it does. I don't want this to turn into an abortion rights discussion. FTR, I don't support abortion, I also don't want to make it illegal. The entire discussion is always centered way too far down the line, when it's too late. I really only want to discuss birth control and giving women more power to say "no" if they aren't ready, to withstand the pressure of male hormonal impulses, and to be educated about ALL the consequences, not just the immediate ones.

That said, I am not a supporter of Roe v Wade as a SC decision. A woman's right to privacy is not a Constitutional right IMO. And certainly when compared with the concepts the document did discuss, like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, it's hard to understand how those got trumped.

The States could have done that on their own and those things can be done without the advent of marriage.

Gay folks want to be considered married....not just in the eyes of the law but by churches, too.

Red herring. I never said either of these and they have nothing to do with my argument.

Tort reform is long overdue. Not to mention divorce court and child custody issues. Just wait.

 

As a side note, Judge Blackmun had similar thoughts about using that type of language in opinions.
"At first a skeptical bystander while the court wrestled with whether to expand constitutional protection for women's rights -- in his private notes, he disparaged a brief filed in a sex discrimination case by Prof. Ruth Bader Ginsburg as ''filled with emotion.''

 

Where do you see hate? Do you see me saying people are going to hell? Do you see me threatening anyone? Do you see me writing letters telling people the reason their spouse died is because they approve of gay marriage?

And as far as being right when we are talking about opinions, the majority of Americans agree with mine. Fact.

You can call it principled all you want. Was the South principled when it came to discrimination against African Americans?

Fact:

Gay people getting married has ZERO effect on Christians. No one is forcing them to like it, no one is forcing them to get married to a gay person. No one is making them conduct gay weddings. No one is forcing them to attend them either.

They can think what they want, they can feel what they want, they don't have to participate. What will make life easier for them is to accept the fact that there are people in this country who have the right to the same freedoms they do, the right to the same equality under the law that they do. I know that's hard for conservatives to understand because they think Jesus personally wrote the constitution. But ya know what? So be it. It's the law, I gotta live with Citizens United and industries pumping Mercury into the air, I'm pretty sure they could live with gay people getting married if THEY weren't the haters.


Let Freedom Ring!!!

 

Here is a well worded, MODERATE letter from the WAPO today. It was a response to George Will's column.

Nice summary:

Yes, Mr. Will, some candidates are "unhinged" and likely will get even more so as the hysterical right marches toward screwing the candidate who wins the GOP nomination for 2016.

This is because there are no leaders in the GOP with the courage to tell the GOP masses the truth.

Social issues are not what most Americans care about; pretending so, is stupid.
Shutting down government, as opposed to working to make it better, is stupid.
Taking health care from millions, as opposed to improving the ACA, is stupid.
Demonizing minorities with hyperbole, is stupid.
Spending $610 billion a year on military expenditures is stupid.
Letting the nation's infrastructure crumble instead of fixing it, is stupid.
Cutting taxes on the wealthy and corporations (increasing national debt), is stupid.
Failing to help rebuild the middle class (wage suppression), is stupid.

And the big one.

Trickle down (aka Voodoo Economics) doesn't work and is stupid.

There are more examples, but the point is that the GOP has wandered so far into the wilderness that it will be a long and painful journey back.

The GOP's problem isn't about gay marriage, it's about stupidity.

 

If anything the whole marriage equality issue should help the GOP. It's settled now unless a constitutional amendment is passed. All a Republican has to say is the Supreme Court has spoken and like it or not it's the law.

 

Her point is this decision/ruling is based solely on their opinions and has nothing to do with the constitution. Not the way it's supposed to be.

 

Polygamists are now hopping on board.

 

Just wait. Every kind of deviate you can think of is going to be demanding their "rights." "My dog is my best friend. Why can't I marry him/her?" Woman wants to marry her partner in the donkey shows? It's discrimination not to let her.