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  1. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    15 years ago if anybody said gay marriage would be ruled legal that would have been considered a ridiculous statement. The Supreme Court has taken upon itself to grant a right where no right was stated nor implied by the Constitution. When you think about it SCOTUS holds the ultimate power in the USA system. They can strike down any law passed by Congress or rule and proclamation by the executive branch unconstitutional. Where is @wjray I would like to hear his opinion on the constitutionality of what the Court has ruled.
     
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  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    What a crock.

    He's discussion the nature of marriage, if you bother with context at all.

    States rights? Got your battle flag with you? ;) This is the same objection we heard after the civil rights rulings. And defending slavery before that.

    The court is the arbiter of what is a state right and what is a national law. You don't have to like it. You can get your representatives to change the Constitution. Good luck with that.

    No it hasn't. The Congress can amend the Constitution or enact a law that specifically forbids gay marriage. Checks and balances. But that is not going to happen. Not because of the court but because of public opinion.

    What rule? How is defining the terms being used to explain the decision somehow wrong? Lawyers do it all the time. It is important help understand the ruling? What are you afraid of hearing?

    Well, so what? It is irrelevant. Do you suggest that all marriage be illegal because of this?

    What exactly is your objection to gay marriage? Spell it out, please.
     
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  3. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    We are talking about 2 consenting adults not children dude. Keep reaching.
     
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  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Self-righteous indignation doesn't have to be respected by anyone else.

    The decision created no law at all. It ruled on the Constitutionality of of a law.

    So what? 50 years ago the very idea that black people could eat in the same restaurant as you was ridiculous. 100 years ago the very idea that a woman could vote was ridiculous. 150 years ago the idea that slavery would be abolished was ridiculous. 250 years ago the idea that we could reject our king was ridiculous.

    There are already adequate laws against pedophilia and illegal marriage of juveniles. Nobody is contesting those laws. Nobody. You are making stuff up to object to.

    Try to imagine how ridiculous this sounds.
     
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  5. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    At least two Supreme Court Justices would disagree with that statement and said so in their scathing written dissents.

    The laws governing the age of consent are set and codified by each individual state. The point is that 5 people have the power to change that by judicial fiat. Maybe nobody at present is contesting those law don't be surprised if NAMBLA files a suit contesting the age of consent. Of course it would be thrown out of court at this time. But over time and through the pressure of social media and the liberal anything goes crowd support they could make it seem acceptable to a significant enough minority of people by labeling those who oppose them as "pedophobes"

    Not in our lifetimes hopefully but the fact is that a mere 5 people have the power to make whatever they rule "constitutional" simply by ruling it so. Just wait until SCOTUS makes a ruling that you disagree with. Then you will be the one saying they have usurped their authority.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Well it is the FUCKING CONSTITUTION that gives them this right, did you forget that?

    They make rulings that I disagree with all the time. Hell they overruled the popular vote of the people and decreed George Bush to be President. But I don't imagine them to have usurped their authority. They have not and you have no case that they did.
     
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    you are all in on this one I see.
     
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  8. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    Technically anything they rule is constitutional simply because they say so. They have the power to declare any state, federal or local law or presidential proclamation to be unconstitutional because they say it is. You say their recent ruling is constitutional but at least two of the justices say that it's not. They are not in the majority so the 5 have made it constitutional simply by saying that it is.
     
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    So what? That is how the system has worked for 227 years. It's why we have an odd number of justices. It has never required a unanimous votes and such rulings are damned few.

    You just don't like the ruling and that is fine. But it is simply untrue to say that the Supreme Court has usurped their authority because you dislike the ruling.
     
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  10. Bengal B

    Bengal B Founding Member

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    It's not just me saying it. Two justices said the same thing. Their opinion is more valid than yours or mine.
     
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