The end to the "Christian nation" debate.

Discussion in 'Free Speech Alley' started by Rex, Oct 6, 2005.

  1. TigerWins

    TigerWins Founding Member

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    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but a fetus has no rights. We don't issue social security numbers to them and they receive no government benefits. No rights are granted until birth.

    I agree. No tax dollars should ever be spent on abortions, or any other elective medical procedure.
     
  2. Sourdoughman

    Sourdoughman TigerFan of LSU and the Tigerman

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    I might be surprised, yes?
    I said I had no problem in the other post if it was made legal by states
    or the people of the United States didn't I?
    I don't agree with it but its better than a renegade supreme court making
    bad law, no where in the Constitution does it permit abortion.

    What Salty said, the child and Fetus has no rights either but that is changing
    because a person who kills a pregnant woman is now charged with killing
    the mother and the child.
    You keep talking about mothers rights but you don't want the fetus to have
    any rights.
    Does this mean you are against a person being charged for killing a pregnant
    woman being charged for both?

    I never said that allowing states to decide abortions would stop it.
    I simply criticized the Supreme Court because it is bad law!
    Most laws in this country are state to state I believe.
    Whats legal in one state is not in another.

    The Supreme court along with our tax dollars being sent to planned parenthood has made this a government issue not a personnal one.

    I wish it was more of a personnal issue than a government issue.
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

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    I for one am pro-choice. Only for me the choice is whether you have sex or not. There is no choice after the child is conceived. Abortion is murder. There is no arguement. At the moment of conception all 4 of the traits of life or displayed by a "fetus." That is scientific fact.

    And fetus's do have rights in this country. For instance if an expecting mother is murdered the murderer is charged with two counts.
     
  4. TigerWins

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    Both can't have rights in this situation ... it is one or the other. I choose the mother, you choose the fetus.

    The mother is the only one who gets to choose. Anyone else who kills her fetus should be charged with a crime.
     
  5. marcmc99

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    Abortion should be legal when there are complications which threaten the health of the mother, or, there are certain types of problems with the baby (or fetus, as some would call it).

    Abortion should not be legal as a tool of convenience, by the mother or anyone else. Irresponsibility isn't a right, it's a gift granted by the government.
     
  6. TigerWins

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    That's the part that scares me. The government wants to decide who lives and wants to tell us how to die.

    I believe individuals should make that decision ... even if I disagree with their decision.
     
  7. marcmc99

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    I agree people should have the right to decide in regard to assisted suicide. In cases like Terri Shiavo (not sure of spelling), I don't believe the government should intervene. Her life wasn't taken, she was kept somewhat alive by man-made machines. I don't think she was deprived of her right to life, because she lacked the ability to live on her own.

    While many argue a fetus is no different, because it depends on the mother to sustain life, I disagree. That fetus is forming and becoming self-sustaining, not moving the opposite direction into a failing state of dependency.

    Some may say this is a hypocritical approach, but I think it's important to make a distinction between the living and the dying, and in some instances, the already dead.
     
  8. NoLimitMD

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    Agree completely.
     
  9. LSUsupaFan

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    Only God can decide when we die. Noone has the right to kill themselves or another. The only exception is for punishment when there are no other means suitable. In our society there are other means like life without benefit of parole.

    Let me clarify one point here... I do not consider terrorists people.
     
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