Well if you think you are going to lay some racial guilt trip on me you are not. Either you are misreading me are doing it on purpose. Actually some of your statements are puzzling. You say a black player would play harder for a black coach, why? That sounds like you are sterotypeing blacks as being prejudiced against white coaches. The greatest college football coach alive is Nick Saban and the players at Alabama apparently could care less what color he is. Same thing for Debo, Riley, Kirby and Fickell. The white kids at Mich State apparently don't care what color Mel Tucker is cause they are playing hard for him they are 6-0. Dave Aranda is Latino and apparently the black and white players could care less what race Aranda is because apparently they are playing hard for him. Yes I do say "I am white guy still searching for the privilege I am supposed to have" I say that because as a white guy in today's society I have been INSULTED BEING TOLD I WAS BORN WITH PRIVILEGE SIMPLY BECAUSE I AM WHITE. I was born with nothing. I grew a poor Cajun boy. I remember going to school bare footed for a while. I remember our family picking pecans to make ends meet. I had neighbors buy clothes for me because they felt sorry for me. I remember my dad making something for us to play with for a Christmas present. We couldn't afford haircuts so momma and daddy cut our hair. Things did get better for us but we never really had money. ALL THIS IS TRUE. So with all that said FUCK ANYBODY WHOEVER IT MAY BE THAT CLAIMS I WAS BORN WITH PRIVILEGE. There are veiled insinuations by you in your post that I am a closet racist. I will not try to prove to you I am not a racist because I am not obligated or required to and it would be demeaning to me to stoop to that. However I will tell you the reason, which you missed somehow in my many post, why I brought up the subject of race in reference to our next coach. I WAS TOLD BY AN EX COLLEGE FOOTBALL COACH AND MY BEST FRIEND (WHO BTW MARRIED A BLACK GIRL FROM LAWTELL, HE IS WHITE) WHO IS WELL CONNECTED. HE HEARD THAT WOODWARD WAS BEING PRESSURED TO HIRE A MINORITY COACH. IF TRUE ARE YOU COOL WITH THAT? WOULD YOU BE COOL WITH WOODWARD BEING PRESSURED TO HIRE A WHITE GUY? Last time I will answer any post with the tone of your post. With that said I DON'T GIVE ONE RATS ASS WHAT RACE, COLOR, RELIGION OR GENDER OUR NEXT COACH IS. ALL I CARE ABOUT IS WE DON'T HIRE ANYONE JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE, COLOR, RELIGION OR GENDER. I WANT THE BEST COACH AVAILABLE. GOT IT?
Well, let's look at some facts. Mel Tucker has 0 5 star recruits this year, neither does James Frabklin. These are 2 Black coaches mentioned in this search. Neither coach is a frequent visitor to Top 10 in recruiting. Franklin is currently at #3 at Penn State for 2022, his highest placement ever. But the reason he is currently ranked so highly is he's got 25 commitments, more than most coaches at this point would take. His recruits are (14) 4 star & (11) 3 star recruits. Lots of 3 stars Franklin will easily be passed by in recruiting, possibly even falling out of the Top 10. Mel Tucker is ranked #18 in recruiting. (5) 4 star recruits, (14) 3 star recruits. Lots of 3 stars. He'll very likely finish in the mid 20's someplace. Bottom line is there is no advantage to having Black head coaches in recruiting. 2021 Final Recruiting rankings- 247sports: James Franklin #21 Mel Tucker #46
I am not taking it as a tussle at all. I have long maintained that Saban did not put LSU on the map, LSU put Saban on the map. Same for Les Miles and Orgeron. The difference is that Saban and Miles were qualified, Orgeron might be debatable with respect to qualifications even though he also won a natty. I disagree with your premise that you are qualified to coach a top 10 power 5 football program, therefore, I would not hire you regardless of your skin color. Hate to break it you, bro.
You can't say that! First of all it offends me and you now owe me money, a lot of it too! 2nd, you said qualifications are all that is needed and like it or not I know enough to be qualified so I should get an equal shot. That is your argument. Mine on the other hand is do you take Sean Payton or Louie Smith? Do you take Dabo or Sylvester Crooms? Like it or not those black coaches didn't fail because they were black. They failed because they are shitty coaches. Qualified sure, just not very good.
Thank you for making my point. Sylvester Croom and Nick Saban are both qualified. Saban is the better coach. It does not make Saban more qualified it just makes him the better hire. Had Saban been hired by Mississippi State instead of LSU, he might not be the household name we know today. (LSU put Saban on the map, Saban did not put LSU on the map.)
Prior to Saban LSU wasn’t a NC contender. Neither was Bama, really. You can have this academic debate with yourself, it’s lame.
I have said this multiple times as have many others on the board. You are using circular logic and it just doesn't work. The color of the coach is irrelevant.
Syl Croom was qualified? Have you seen his record as a college head coach? He coached at MSU for 5 seasons & had 1 8-5 winning season. The rest was complete shit. He was fired for not winning. - 21-38 record. During his lone winning season in 2007, LSU beat his ass 45-0.
