sure most of them need it, but they are adults old enough to die in a war. probably better to let them make mistakes now anyway.
Then their parents don't have that "right" either, right? Every one of those guys know what they're in for when they get on the team, and if they want to stay on it the simple fact is they have to do what Coach tells them. Of course the coaches let them get out and enjoy their college days, that's been apparent for some time. But I can assure you this, they are told many times in many different ways that if they are out and get caught screwing up and giving the team a black eye, there will be consequences to deal with accordingly. Can he lock them in a closet as punishment? Well, apparently no.. But those guys want nothing more than to be successful playing football and guess who holds the keys to that door? So do the coaches have the right to tell them what to do? No, but they certainly have the power.
If you have to actually suffer some consequences. Perrilloux took the wrist-slappings he got as license to keep on doing it. I hope that Les learned something about that.
Straight from CTJ's mouth: On how he wants his players to represent the program ... "They need to be held accountable socially, academically and athletically. For me, it's always the case that, I'm around them a lot so I have an idea of what kind of kids they are. Knowing who you can trust and who you can't. I will never push the button on a kid and overreact until I hear all the sides to the story. No question about it. As coaches, we are educators and leaders. We aren't perfect in any shape or form. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force them to drink. These guys will tell you there is a certain way I live my life and carry myself. That is how I expect them to do it. I don't drink. I never have. Coach doesn't act a fool. Coach never has. Going back to college there is a bunch of former players they can reference. The teams that I am fortunate enough to coach and players I'm around, that is how they are going to conduct themselves. When there is a slip-up, it will be dealt with the proper way. I've never been one to make a mountain out of a mole hill. We all have a tendency when we are dealing with young student-athletes to overreact. I'm not one of them. It's not three strikes and you are out. It's how big and bad those strikes are."
On the flip side of that, I hope the players have learned something from that as well.. Ryan Perrilloux Scouting Report - 2010 NFL Draft Prospect
right. ok, thats all im saying, they have the power but not the right. if they get kicked off the team for some petty thing and it affects their ability to make living, then they should have a reasonable chance of winning a suit. what they know going into it doesnt mean much. just because i know my boss is a hard-ass doesnt mean i wont try to get him fired if he tries to choke me one day.
Lawsuit? Really? What is petty?? I mean, for the purposes of this conversation we're talking about getting in a bar-room fight, or not following team rules. You think a player has the right to sue the university/coaches if he gets into a brawl at a bar and is thrown off the team as a result? Or if he repeatedly breaks team rules? Sorry, we'll have to disagree on that. Here's one: You think Perrilloux has a case? Afterall, he never was actually arrested for anything.. So should he sue LSU for the fact that he probably won't get drafted this year, but would likely have had he stayed here? All he did was break 'team rules' a few times and get caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time, a few times.. Hell, CLM kicking him off the team could have potentially cost him millions. :huh: Call me Ray Charles, but I just don't see it.
being "punished" for a discipline problem/violating team rules is not the same thing are getting assaulted by your boss at work.
:huh: Team rules. Sometimes, they include things like curfews and off-limits locations. Coaches have every right. Team membership is not a right - it's a priveledge. Coaches can cut, hire, fire, promote and bench. Not sure where you get the notion that coaches are just there to teach X's and O's and accept whatever the players decide to do otherwise. This isn't the NFL. Hell, in a good NFL locker room, you statement is not even true - because there it's called a contract...
