Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling

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  1. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    That's cool. Politically correct bigotry. :thumb:
     
  2. Fishhead

    Fishhead Founding Member

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    Red, I haven't read every post that you have made on this subject, and quite frankly...don't have time to. But, concerning the "millenia" of global warming", how did you come to this? What proof can you offer to show "millenia" of global warming? Not arguing with you...just wondering where you got that.

    Here is a snippet of a NASA article...interesting stuff.

    "[SIZE=+2]E[/SIZE]very year, of course, we add another 12 months to the temperature trend," said Christy. "But 1998 was particularly interesting. While two previous strong El-Niños occurred in the past 20 years, this is the first one that occurs without a simultaneous volcanic eruption." El-Niño warming events and the eruptions of Mt. Pinatubo in 1991 and El Chichon in 1983 have been the most influential events on the temperature trend to date.
    "Obviously, El Niños are part of the natural weather cycle, and shouldn't be discounted," said Christy. "When we look at long-term trends, however, we shouldn't assign excess importance to individual unusual or extreme short-term events, such as this El Niño or the cooling that followed the eruption of the Pinatubo volcano in 1991."
    The lower tropospheric data are often cited as evidence against global warming, because they have as yet failed to show any significant warming trend when averaged over the entire Earth. The lower stratospheric data show a significant cooling trend, which is consistent with ozone depletion. In addition to the recent cooling, large temporary warming perturbations may be seen in the data due to two major volcanic eruptions: El Chichon in March 1982, and Mt. Pinatubo in June 1991.

    It's all pretty confusing to me...but I believe it is part of a cycle that the earth is going thru...and it hasn't been happening for millions of years. In the 70's, some of these same "scientists" were warning of another ICE AGE...and it was alleged to be imminent. For that reason, however many links you provide that come from so called experts...a lot of us just aren't gonna jump on board. We've seen the opposite expectations from the same group of people...IN OUR LIFETIMES. That's why you hear a bunch of folks refer to them as "chicken littles", alarmist, so on. I have seen reports that allege the exact opposite that your linked reports allege...and, fact is, there are likely TWO groups of wackos out there. One sees it your way, and one sees it the exact opposite way. But BOTH are likely wrong.
     
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  3. shane0911

    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Heard this on the radio today, one of you link searchers can maybe dig it up. The cooling effect of the last 12 months has (according to the 4 different agencies that measure this stuff) claim that it was so profound that it cancels out the effects of 100 years of warming. Hmm
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Doesn't that sound just a wee bit preposterous to you? I've already pointed out that it is a bullchit article in this thread twice.
     
  5. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    If you are too busy to read the dozen or so threads we've already had on the subject and the overwhelming evidence I have explained and documented including the graphs that answer your question, then why should I bother to go find it all again for you. You won't read it anyway and probably have your mind made up already.

    It's not confusing to me at all, amigo. I've spent a career in the business.

    Based on what?

    What did I tell you? You're simply not interested in the science of this scientific phenomena, you are interested in the politics of it. I'm sorry, and with all due respect, anyone who reaches a concluson about a scientific matter and ignores the science of it has completely missed the boat.

    Look, I'm not arguing for the Kyoto Treaty or any of the politics of global warming. I'm defending the science of it. I think perhaps you are inclined to deny it simply because Al Gore believes it.

    Well, if you weren't too busy to actually study the situation or even to review what we've already discussed here, then I'm not surprised how completely unaware you are of how wrong that statement actually is. Fishhead, there is a huge scientific consensus and overwhelming evidence of global warming. The fact that some scientists disagree is normal in science, the scientific method requires this testing. But progress is made by reaching consensus and it has been reached.

    What is happening is that while a scientific conclusion has been reached, there are various volatile political groups that have political agendas that have nothing whatsoever to do with science. Here are where the kooks on both sides of the issue lie, in fact there are more than two sides in the political arena.
     
  6. Fishhead

    Fishhead Founding Member

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    I asked you to explain only ONE THING. You act as if I asked you to give every shred of scientific evidence on the subject...just for me. And besides, based on the length of your reply, that's exactly what you wanted to do anyway. If you don't wanna answer the question, don't. You, amigo...are more than a little arrogant.

    In case you missed it, the question was this-----Where did you come up with evidence that global warming has been going on for thousands of years? Either that, or define "millenia" for me.

    The politics of it...which you say is the only thing that interests me...is actually the very thing that turns me off to the subject.
     
  7. islstl

    islstl Playoff committee is a group of great football men Staff Member

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    Here is one of the best articles on the matter:

    http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

    The potential planetary warming from a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide from pre-Industrial Revolution levels of ~280ppmv to 560ppmv (possible some time later this century - perhaps) is generally estimated at around 1 °C.

    Water vapor and carbon dioxide are major greenhouse gases.
    Water vapor accounts for about 70% of the greenhouse effect, carbon dioxide somewhere between 4.2% and 8.4%
     
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    shane0911 Helping lost idiots find their village

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    Actually, no it doesn't. If by the accounts of the very same people that are trying to scare us into riding bicycles to work and switching to a middle eastern style of bathroom hygene (because toilet paper is just SO wrong). If the earth has warmed a whopping % of a degree in 100 years, and then cools close to the same or even more of a % of that same degree in ONE year. I'd say it's not too hard to believe. How have you proclaimed or proven the daily tech article to be "hogwash", is it because it says opposite of what you hold dear? If you look hard enough I'm sure you can find an article that will tell you the moon is made of cheese. Maybe we should send the next space shuttle with a pack of crackers just in case? The planet is going to do what it's going to do and there isn't much we can do to change it.
     
  10. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Confidence is often mistaken for arrogance by the unsure. Here is a source for global warming over the millenia.

     

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