Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling

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  1. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    i dont see how you can make this statement. global warming cant be proven, just like evolution cant be proven. all the evidence is observational not experimental. but the bulk of this evidence makes global warming likely. id rather be safe than sorry.
     
  2. SabanFan

    SabanFan The voice of reason

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    If you think human intervention can stop,or even slow down, the natural processes of the planet, you are naive and incredibly arrogant. In the context of global climate cycles, we are absolutely irrelevant. We are one grain of sand in the Sahara; one drop of piss in the NYC sewer system; one fish fart in the Pacific Ocean...in short...we are NOTHING!
     
  3. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    That is absolutely NOT what the consensus of scientific experts have stated authoritatively. You can't back it up.

    Not True. There may be very little we can do, but simple denial of the problem is ignorance.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Nonsense. Human impact on the planet is measurable and significant.

    Human Impact on the Planet -- US Geological SUrvey

    HUMAN IMPACT -- National Geographic

    Human impact brings Earth to dawn of new epoch -- London Times

    Human Impact on the Earth—How Do We Soften It? -- National Geographic
     
  5. ccgw

    ccgw luv'em Tigers

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    Although I am not exactly sold on the notion of humans being responsible for global warming, I do believe that the human race activity, as a whole on this fascinating planet, does have some effect on the climate; to what extent I do not know as the earth/nature have a certain way of equalizing things. The presence of the natural climatic cycles does complicate matters.

    On the other hand, I think it is prudent to cut down environmental pollution as that certainly can have an impact on our health, as well as our future generations. If we all have a choice, would one want to choose living in an environment where you can smell the chemical in the air , like near an oil refinery or chemical plant, or in a smoggy city like Los Angeles, or in an area where the air smells of nature (excluding cow farts:yelwink2:) and drink sweet tasting water like what we get in Baton Rouge:thumb:?
     
  6. phlashman

    phlashman Founding Member

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    Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

    Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
    No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

    A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

    Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

    Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.


    Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.


    Sorry Al...

    The truth is a lot of the hysteria around this has to do more with another way to tax ppl than actual effects on civilization. Do we need to be good caretakers of the planet? Absolutely. Should we change some of the ways we've been doing things over the last 100 years or more? Without a doubt. However, just because we need to do these things, doe's "not" equate to some of the nonsense thats been going on. I know, its a scarce commodity ppl, but use some common sense.
     
  7. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    This single DailyTech article that has been quoted twice here is hogwash regarding a single cooler winter "reversing" millenia of global warming. If you want to know what the consensus of all the worlds experts in climatology and geology see:

    2007 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
     
  8. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    you forgot "dust in the wind"

    really, i find your view obtuse and bigoted
     
  9. phlashman

    phlashman Founding Member

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    I guess when it comes down to it Red, its all in who you want to believe. Not long ago there was a meeting of these scientists and all in Denver, if memory serves. The pros and cons of global warming. One of them (an all believer in the warming issue) was taken to task by challenging his theories by one of the "Non" global warming scientists. When shown where he could be very wrong about things he flew into a rage. Now, is it real concern, or something else that caused that reaction. It might have something to do with the fact he makes a very good living off our money and donations. Course, it may have been the thought of losing his new Mercedes as well.
     
  10. Nutriaitch

    Nutriaitch Fear the Buoy

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    No they don't. I've been googling this for about an hour and a half now. The number of articles citing scientist who think this is cyclical is pretty close to even with the number that think it's man-made.

    Here is just one that I found to be a pretty interesting read (from September of '05)

    LINK
     

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