Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling

What is the implication of quoting Sourcewatch? As if they are an impartial, unbiased entity?

Hardly.

You can discount him out of hand if you want. I notice you do the same to any other scientist that disagrees with your ideas about global warming. I didn't claim that he had disproved global warming. I merely stated that he and several others offer an opposing view. One you obviously don't share.

Fact remains Red, that more and more people are getting tired of being bullied for considering that there is conflicting science. There is enough science to question the conclusions of both sides. Environmentalists are quickly becoming as obnoxious as every other politically correct group. I will be sure to give Al Gore even more credence as he jets around the world, warning us of global warming.

 

What bothers me the most about global warming nuts is the fact that they think most of us give a crap. Twenty years from now they'll all look like fools....oops, they already do. Save the planet, make love not war, plant a tree, give peace a chance, down with the man, power to the people, free your mind....how about, STFU!

In the mean time, these bastards (No offense meant to my nutty friends here) will collectively destroy our Nation. I don't much care if someone wants to be silly..just stop dragging me into it. Half of the things that piss me off on a daily basis can be traced back to tree hugging nuts.

Public transportation you say....Not in my town bud. PT brings in the lower forms of life. Next they'll be putting bus stops at every corner and building more damn apartment complexes. Then they'll build a new Social Security office and hell...why not, lets open a new half way house...there goes the neighborhood.

Don't want to shop at Lowes you say....Just one Lowes employs hundreds of people. How many people can work at Pops Hardware? Does Pop offer a 401K? How about health care? You nuts are all about health care...right?

232 years later and we all want to be like the Europeans? How sad.

Two truths....The world isn't flat and global warming is a joke. Another...Science will never be infallible.

 

Human induced global warming is the current version of the seventies peak oil fallacy. And it's being pushed by the exact same crowd. And it will suffer the exact same fate.

It won't be ridiculed publicly because the media has bought it, hook, line and sinker.

But quietly, they'll all wonder how they could've joined a cult without knowing it was a cult.

 

I apologize in advance for the length of this post. Skip it if you like.

I am saying that you using Sourcewatch is laughable to refute anything. They are completely agenda driven and the word impartiality does not fit. It's run by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber. Two environmentalists and considered to be very liberal. I'm glad their views fall in line with yours, but since you constantly cry out for credible, unbiased sources, perhaps you should use some yourself. These guys ain't it.

I do think it's funny that you claim to be a centrist, but 9 times out of 10, when you want to refute an argument, you always take a decidedly liberal view. I have no problem if you are liberal, but apparently you dislike the label. Perhaps you should embrace it.

Disagreeing and discounting are two different things altogether. I don't find it easy to "discount" the science on either side.

You allude to this quite a bit. There are over 31,000 signatures on that petition, and thousands of them have Phd's. While I don't consider someone with a Phd as intellectually superior, they do seem to be a bit more educated than the average person. You are willing to discount all of them??

This seems important to you. This notion that someone have "proper credentials". What does that entail? Being a meteorologist? Every town I have lived in had one of those as a weatherman and every one of those morons was wrong a high % of the time about the weather that very day. I shudder to put my trust in such individuals about something that might happen a hundred years from now or the reasons for it.

Perhaps, but the fact remains that you are discounting thousands of scientists simply because they do not agree with your opinion. You certainly did not vet the scientists listed on that petition, but you are choosing to lump them together. That's like saying all bama fans are...nevermind.

Would you like me to list other dissenters? Below is very abbreviated compilation. There are many, many more. These are not liberal art teachers. These guys are in the game. By the looks of them, I also wouldn't claim they all work for Big Oil, Bush or Cheney. And I don't think calling them kooks is going to work either.

Believe global warming is not occurring or has ceased

Timothy F. Ball, former Professor of Geography, University of Winnipeg:
Robert M. Carter, geologist, researcher at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University in Australia:
Vincent R. Gray, coal chemist, climate consultant, founder of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition:

Believe accuracy of IPCC climate projections is inadequate

David Bellamy, environmental campaigner, broadcaster and former botanist:
Hendrik Tennekes, retired Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute:
Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists :

Believe global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovskaya Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences:
Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics:
Reid Bryson, emeritus professor of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, University of Wisconsin-Madison:
George V. Chilingar, Professor of Civil and Petroleum Engineering at the University of Southern California:
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa:
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester:
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University:
William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus and head of The Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University:
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology
George Kukla, retired Professor of Climatology at Columbia University and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory,
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware:
Marcel Leroux, former Professor of Climatology, Université Jean Moulin:
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa:
Tim Patterson[31], paleoclimatologist and Professor of Geology at Carleton University in Canada:

Believe cause of global warming is unknown

Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and Founding Director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks:
Claude Allègre, geochemist, Institute of Geophysics (Paris):
Robert C. Balling, Jr., a professor of geography at Arizona State University:
John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville,
Petr Chylek, Space and Remote Sensing Sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory:
William R. Cotton, Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at Colorado State University

Most environmentalists would not agree with you on #6 Red. Though most capitalists will.




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Addendum to the above post:

I really miss football season.....obviously.:milesmic: