Tancredo: Threaten to bomb Muslim holy sites in retaliation

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  1. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You are forgetting something vital. Did we ever attack Russia, either? No because they could have wiped us ut in return. It was mutual asured destrution (MAD) that kept the Cold War from going hot. Russia is still the only country that threatens us with destruction. As emotionally devastating as 9/11 was, it was pinprick that didn't come close to hurting us. Osama had thought it would collapse our economy . . . fat chance. These terrorists are international criminals that need to be run down and eliminated, one-by-one. One billion muslims are not the ememy-- a few thousand islamist extremists are the enemy.

    Attacking a country that didn't attack us is absurd, have you learned nothing from Iraq? Attacking a religious symbol gains us nothing . . . except about a billion new enemies.

    It's a just a misplaced revenge fantasy, not a strategy at all.

    In any case, Israel has it covered. If Israel is ever in danger of being overrun by Arab enemies, there will be mushroom clouds over Mecca and Medina. But it will be Israel's swan song, too.
     
  2. USMTiger

    USMTiger Founding Member

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    If someone here proposing this attack on Mecca can tell us the names of the terrorists that Saudi Arabia is willfully harboring then I might change my mind. Or if someone can tell me how bombing Mecca would stop someone like Bin Laden, I might be game. Im pretty sure Bin Laden will not stop his activities because a holy city is blown up.

    What do you really think is more important to these fanatics: the sanctity of a holy city, or the dominance of Islam over the world?

    Red nailed it on the head: a misguided revenge fantasy, not a strategy.
     
  3. Crip*TEAM KATT

    Crip*TEAM KATT As Wild As We Wanna Be

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    And thats what they are after, so how do you stop an enemy that bases its attacks on religion and will not stop until the entire world is converted or dead?

    As barabaric and insensitive as this may be but if it is to perserve the rights for people around the globe to be able to choose freely which god they want to worship and do so without the fear of death then we might have to look at the measure of wiping them off the face of the earth.

    And I know that not all people of Islam are terrorist but you also do not see a huge number of these non-terrorist Muslims willing giving suspected terrorist up.

    These are a sect of people that have fought for centeries over the same ****ty areas of sand. We can not fight this fight like any other war we have ever fought in before.

    When fighting a war you should not stop until either the enemy is defeated or surrenders but when it comes to religion very rarely do you see someone surrender their faith.

    Is there anyway that we can kill all the Islamic radicals?

    I dont think so because they will always be able to recruit and brainwash more.

    So if we cant kill them all how do we stop them?
    The only way I see is to destroy the thing the use for motivation.

    No more Islam no more radicals and no more world conversion ideals.
     
  4. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    You can't seem to understand the enemy. We have failed to capture or kill those repsonsible for 9/11, so we must try to kill every muslim on the planet? Make a war on an entire religion? It's just . . . not . . . possible. There is no profit in it and tons of liabilities. Look Al Qaida is the enemy, NOT ISLAM. Of the billion or so muslims in the world, only a few thousand Al Qaida international criminals have attacked the United States of America. Not hostile muslim countries like Iran, Libya, Pakistan, Sudan, etc. No other islamic terrorists, like the Black September, Fatah, Hamas, Hezbollah who are focused on Israel. Certainly not the millions and millions of iliterate third-world muslims who are just trying to make a living and really don't give a chit.

    Focus! Al Qaida is the enemy. AQ propaganda is all based on portraying a war between Islam and the United States and selling this to the muslims. Why in the world would you buy right into it? Al Qaida wants us to go off on doomed lemming-like crusades against anybody but them. They want to to attack muslims who are not involved in this fight against us. This is the kind of stuff that creates hate of America among otherwise indifferent muslims. Many muslim countries are allied with us or are sitting the fence. We can't drive these into the arms of our enemies.

    Al Qaida wants us to overreach instead of focusing on their destruction. Don't listen to these raghead bastards. Focus! Islam is not the problem. We need to be turning these guys against each other instead of rallying them to unite against us! It's easy enough to do, they are completely tribal and naturally all hate each other. We have done this sucessfully for decades until this recent debacle.

    Now Al Qaida is successfully dividing us against our allies and suckering us into fighting the wrong war. January 2009 can not come fast enough for us to get a president with some perception and wisdom. Someone who thinks with his brains instead of his balls and understands the difference between strategy and reaction.

    Exactly. This is not a nuclear war versus another superpower who could destroy us. This is not a mechanized war against the armies of an enemy. This is a war against small bands of organized criminals who run an underground terror campaign.

    FIRST, we must refuse to be terrified. Then we must recognize that it is a political and criminal problem that must be addressed with conniving and devious political influence, bribery, and economic coersion, combined with intelligence, CIA infiltration, special forces raids, precise air strikes, and other focused covert actions against Al Qaida specifically. You can kill a deer by burning down the forest, but it's a lot smarter to just search, find, follow, and shoot the friggin' deer.

    One at a time. Focus on the real problem and refuse to be distracted by propaganda, side issues, marginal problems and imaginary ones.

    Do you imagine that one holy shrine is all that motivates them? What kind of motivation would wanton destruction of it be . . . along with genocide? Our closest allies would abandon us. The Roman, Napoleonic, and British empires fell because they overeached and their enemies joined against them. The US is powerful, but not invincible, especially if the entire world is against us. We would not survive it. Osama would win.

    Destroying some cities will not eliminate Islam. It didn't even eliminate Japan or Germany.
     
  5. LSUGradin99

    LSUGradin99 I Bleedeth Purple 'N Gold

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    You like this line of thinking? Are you wishing a living hell on future generations of Americans? Talk about the ultimate propaganda tool for extremists. That's practically justifying them to do unthinkable things in retaliation. It would be more than just the end of Saudi oil.
     
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  6. fanatic

    fanatic Habitual Line Stepper

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    We can't win a war if we're scared of what an enemy will do based on our actions. Besides, haven't you realized by now that they WILL do unthinkable things once they get the capability. If they had a nuke, do you think they'd hold off on detonating it until Mecca or Medina was attack? If so, then you're naive and I don't think that about you at all.

    I like the thought of fighting unconventionally in this war and I like the thought of of getting them where it hurts the most. Keep in mind, he's only talking about in retaliatory terms, not preemptive. Furthermore, he's not talking about doing it in the height of a pilgrimage.

    I did, however, say in my opening post that this was impractical because SA is an ally, but maybe in theory only. It will only happen if things disintegrate to the point where we're all f**ed anyway, so this issue is merely fodder for debate.
     
  7. Crip*TEAM KATT

    Crip*TEAM KATT As Wild As We Wanna Be

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    You know what I really do not care about the ****ing "innocent" musliums I really dont.

    You say that it is only the radicals that want us dead and our ways of life erased of the face of the earth, how do you know if its just the radicals, are you part of the Nation of Islam? Would you be willing to put your life or your friends life on the line to find out if that is truely the case?

    Because me I really dont give a **** anymore, I have seen to many of my friends put in the ground because of the "innocent" muslims who do not help when a search party is looking into houses, who dont willingly turn over terrorist, or who help smuggle these ****heads out of country or the ones that ****ing supply them with weapons.

    I give 2 ****s about their innocent when they are not willing to help OUR innocent. So yeah I might be a monster but I would rather see every last ****ing muslim ERASED off the planet then see another one of my friends die to PROTECT a sect of people that dont even care to help out!
     
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  8. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    I know because I've actually bothered to research it instead of letting myself be frightened by a non-existant boogieman. You don't even know what the Nation of Islam is. That's Louis Farrakhan and the black muslims, it's not Islam, the religion.

    Most of the muslims you think we can kill are not remotely involved in any conflict with us, anywhere. It's a fact.

    I see, you just have a need to rant. It doesn't sem to matter to you that eliminating a billion muslims is IMPOSSIBLE. We can't even eliminate the 30,000 insurgents in Iraq!

    Don't you think we should at least START by killing the actual Al Qaida terrorists who attacked us before we start wasting what's left of our fortune and our military by the futile, endless, and bankrupting task of trying kill every muslim on the planet?
     
  9. LSUGradin99

    LSUGradin99 I Bleedeth Purple 'N Gold

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    The whole premise of this type of action is to launch attacks on Muslim holy sites if the attack us in our homeland again, ie an unthinkable attack on Americans here in the US.

    Who said anything about a nuke? Not I. How did you end up saying that? My point is that attacking Muslim holy sites in retaliation would strike a nerve with non-Muslims around the world as well. Holy sites amongst different religions are generally respected by those who are members of other religions. Around the world the perception of the US would suffer greatly. Thus when subsequent attacks on us come about the rest of the world would not be quite as sympathetic towards us.


    Hurts who the most? Muslim extremists? Call it a hunch but I don't think attacks on their holy lands would hurt them. It would only make them more rabid and justified in their craziness. Would it do anything to slow them down and change their way of thinking? Of course not.

    Yeah, that would be the only time where I could see such attacks happening. All bets are off in such a situation.
     
  10. LSUsupaFan

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    So you favor killing every Muslim and they are the extremeists?
     

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