Syria crosses "red line" again...

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  1. gyver

    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    I said earlier Let the UN deal with it. Fuk Syria and the UN. But if Barry decides to fight. Lets not pussy foot around about. Kill the shit out of them. Forward! March!

    Besides. Mr Nobel peace prize is a lover not a fighter. Ask his body man.
     
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  2. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Right now Barry is playing it very smart. He is speaking softly and swinging The Big Stick. As in Libya, he is insisting that our European allies step up and practice what they preach. Less than 10% of Americans want to see us at war in a third Middle Eastern country, so he is also paying attention to the citizens.

    Barry is trying to do what Bush 41 did in Kuwait . . . get international cooperation and sanctions and form a coalition of forces if there must be combat. That means including friendly Arab forces, as in Kuwait. It can't be just the US against a muslim country again. Making unilateral military moves as in Iraq would be throwing gasoline on the fire. And there must be an achievable end game that is in our interests. Simply going to war while taking 50,000 casualties and spending a Trillion dollars and leaving a mess behind, like in Iraq is the epitome of stupid.

    "Killing the shit out of them" is puerile Rambo nonsense. You can't kill them all. Even if we could it would solve nothing and create immense problems. Save the fantasies for your video games.

    Syria has nothing that we need. Nobody there likes us. It ain't our problem.
     
  3. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    All very true, but Obama has proven time and again he is not as skillfull in the foreign policy game as Bush 41 and Clinton were. Clinton was a foreign policy wizard, and too few people give him credit for it. He navigated Iraq, Bosnia, and Somalia flare ups with percision and decisiveness. Obama can't keep the Benghazi talking points straight.

    Putin is presently making Obama look foolish and weak.
     
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  4. HalloweenRun

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    If we get involved in Syria, we deserve our ass, hat and spatz handed to us. GEEEZZZZZZZ..when will we learn. Those ragheads are not for democracy, they turned their backs to it 1000's of years ago. You can't bomb them since most of them only have a friggin goat, whom they try to keep in heat to service the family. Dayum...Spend some money on ENERGY, free ourselves from giving a frickin frack what happens over there in looney land. The only sure thing about military involvement in the mid east is that in the end, both sides will hate you, the side you helped, probably will hate you the most. Give them all a female goat and be done with them. Or a sheep.
     
  5. HalloweenRun

    HalloweenRun Founding Member

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    I'm a huge PUTIN FAN. I love that bored, pissed off look.
     
  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Putin is making himself look isolated and dictatorial. On the other hand, Obama has gotten back the support of our European allies that was lost by his predecessor. I agree that Clinton was excellent and perhaps Bush 41 as well, but Obama has not been a slouch in foreign policy. The president gets strong job approval ratings for his handling of foreign policy and national security in the polls.

    In fact, Obama handled the Libya revolution well, deposing Quadaffi without American boots on the ground. He handled the Egyptian revolution well, supporting democracy and staying on the side of the Egyptian people and NOT making the mistake we made in the Iranian revolution by backing the dictator. He wisely maintained close relations with the Egyptian army through it all which is and has always been the true power in Egypt. He refused to kiss Pakistani ass as Bush 43 did and sent in the military to take bin Ladin. He has further isolated Iran, who is now trying to to open up to the West. He has further isolated North Korea which is as politically and militarily weak as it has ever been. He has authorized deadly force against Somali pirates instead of paying ransoms. He has halved the number of Russian and American nuclear missile launchers. He has authorized successful attacks on Al Qaeda in Yemen with Yemeni support. He has markedly increased aid to Israel.

    The Benghazi attacks are similar to the attacks on the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania during the Clinton administration. It wasn't nearly as shocking as the Black Hawk Down incident in Somalia. Terrorists blew up US military barracks during the Reagan administration in Libya and during the Clinton Administration in Saudi Arabia. No one is happy that any of these events was allowed to happen but they did. It's a real world and shit happens.
     
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    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    image.jpg Obama ME policies have done nothing but throw Libya and Egypt in turmoil and strengthen the Muslim brotherhood and alquaida. I like Halloween runs idea. Lets give all of them bastards a ewe and pump Viagra into their water supply. That should keep them busy for a while.
     
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    gyver Rely on yourself not on others.

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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Bullshit.

    1. The Arab Spring was a series of internal revolutions having nothing whatsoever to do with Obama policy. Make your case if you think you have one.

    2. Do you watch the news? The muslim brotherhood is in a world of shit. I told you months ago that Obama was not giving aid to the Muslim Brotherhood like you assumed, but to the Egyptian army who essentially work for us. We don't actually send them any money! The military aid money stays in an account in the United States that the Egyptian military can use only to buy authorized weapons and equipment from US manufacturers. We own them and they are dependent on us to supply and maintain the US equipment they are equipped with.

    3. What exactly has Al Qaeda accomplished in the Obama era, be specific. How are they stronger? Bin Ladin, Awlaki, and 22 other high Al Qaeda officials are dead. We hit them weekly with targeted missile strikes in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan, and Yemen. We have broken up about a dozen planned Al Qaeda strikes before they happened. What is left of the core Al Qaeda leadership has gone deep underground and international terrorist incidents have dropped off. What remains are dozens of loosely affiliated Al Qaeda wannabes scattered across the middle east that are only threats locally.
     
  10. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    How do we know this isn't just another made up story to get us into a war so all the usual suspects can line their pockets?
     

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