Sugar Farmers hope for help from Congress

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  1. NoLimitMD

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    Actually, small towns are typically those most hard-hit by loss of factory jobs, since there aren't a lot of other employers to absorb the hit. That's all. Making the race connection wasn't exactly a large leap of logic when you define "urban" as inner city and welfare.
     
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    My apologies, I would have never made that connection.

    Easiest question ever -- supply and demand. Just because costs go down, the price won't go down if demand will support it. In other cases (e.g. non-branded clothes or other commodity-like goods), the cheaper mfg. costs translate to cheaper goods. Consider the costs of crawfish. Chinese crawfish are much cheaper than Louisiana crawfish, which gives consumers an option. I prefer the smaller, more tender Louisiana variety, so I'm willing to pay more for the better product. But that's my choice. Nobody's stealing my money and taking the choice away from me.

    First, this trend has nothing to do with the government. The gripe should lie with business, and your voice may best be heard with your spending, not asking the government to stay involved, or get even more involved.

    I have no idea if the US can survive w/o mfg and farming. Farming now is controlled by massive corporations, not mom and pop concerns. Regardless, I don't think we've seen a global economy this diversified, so there's not a lot of info on long-term ramifications. I just haven't seen an argument that shows that we couldn't.
     
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    choice. freedom. i dont care how much stuff costs if i am not forced to buy it. and essentially iam forced to buy things if i am taxes for subsidies. i cant believe you didnt know that. i dont care about money paid to celebrities because it is nike paying them, not me. i dont have to buy nike shoes. i can buy dorky kmart shoes if i want. cant you understand that? with subsidies, there is no choice, and choice is the key to the economy!
     
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    so, is the reason they can't find a job simply because so many of them are lazy and/or mentally limited, as you said before, or is it because of a lack of blue-collar jobs in their area?
     
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    i see, so now you are forced to buy food? i've heard all the arguments about how the government artificially inflates prices to benefit the farmer. well, whether you believe it or not, they also help keep prices relatively stable. even though the prices for fuel, fertilizer, equipment etc. have steadily increased, the prices of commodities generally increase at rates lower than the national inflation rate. i can still buy a loaf of bread for less than $1.00, so i really don't have that much to complain about. sure, you are right when you say that doesn't include the taxes i pay for subsidies, but when i look at the actual percentage of my tax dollars used for these subsidies, as well as all the products i buy over the course of a year related to agriculture, it really isn't all that much. (not much different than what i pay for hurricane disaster relief and all those other reliefs our gov't. shells out every year.) yeah, we produce more than we need many years, but it's good to have plenty of something much of the rest of the world needs. that's good business, and actually helps our economy whether you believe it or not.
     
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    Same thing. If there are no blue collar jobs, they can't get another job because they're either too lazy or too mentally limited to get a white collar job. Or they won't move to a location with jobs. Even the American Natives were pretty good about moving to "greener pastures" once the resources dried up.
     
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    my point being, nike can't produce it's products in america because their profit margins won't support it. however, these profit margins do support spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year on endorsements and advertising. then again, corporations spending money on marketing is good, it helps the economy. spending money on american workers is terrible. and if nike and kmart shoes are produced overseas, then i don't really have much of a choice as to whether or not american workers receive my money. (although there is still one company left that manufactures in america, so i in fact do still have a choice, although it is extremely limited.)
     
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    can't believe they are too dumb and lazy to figure that out. they could roll up the tee-pee, throw it on the old lady's back, and walk until they found more buffalo...i mean factories. sounds easy enough, but i'm assuming most blue-collar jobs don't offer much relocation asssistance, as do the white-collar variety. and since these people generally don't make that much money, it stands to reason they might not have the resources available to pick up and move and then find employment. and, as an employer, if i have to choose between someone local and someone who will need to relocate for a lower paying type job, i know who i'll hire. i don't think the process is quite as simple as you assume...
     
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    i think new balance shoes are made in the USA, they are fantastic. best shoes you can get. i have had 4 identical pair of new balance running shoes. they rule. looks the market will allow you to buy your precious american products, even without stealing my money and subsidizing the american company.

    i am obviously forced to pay for american food whether i buy it ot not, because i have to pay the subsidies because people like you are communist and cant understand that government is supposed to be separate from the market.
     
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