Subpoenas target Justice; White House could be next

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  1. macatak911

    macatak911 CRAIG STELTZ = BEAST

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    The key word being....resign.
     
    macatak911, Mar 15, 2007
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  2. Indiana Tiger

    Indiana Tiger Founding Member

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    Not really. The key is context. These guys were removed for bizarre personal behavior; not because they refused to indict innocent democrats or because they refused to ignore the criminal conduct of republicans.
     
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  3. macatak911

    macatak911 CRAIG STELTZ = BEAST

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    Context. Correct. What does this have to do with this thread?
     
    macatak911, Mar 15, 2007
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  4. Contained Chaos

    Contained Chaos Don't we all?

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    He's explaining the difference in why they left their positions. They were acting like *********s, while the 8 under Bush just wouldn't 'play ball.'
     
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  5. kcal

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    put me on opposite katie & i'll bring home the ratings!
     
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  6. macatak911

    macatak911 CRAIG STELTZ = BEAST

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    lol! nice..
     
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  7. USMTiger

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    Umm, hate to break it to you but the very first thing Janet Reno did for Clinton was fire every single US Attorney. It is an appointed position, and there was no wrongdoing on any party here. I know this because my brother is a US Attorney.

    The big story is how poorly the Bush admin is defending this. Do you really think they are that inept at defending themselves? Or is the intent perhaps to get people talking about a non-issue and deflecting attention from other unpopular things like the war? Republican voters have always rallied around Bush when these dumb, non-issue scandals roll around. I think its funny how the Democrats are falling for the bait.
     
    USMTiger, Mar 16, 2007
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  8. LSUsupaFan

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    Four US Attorneys have been fired during a president's term in the last 30 years. You don't find it suspicious that 8 were fired without cause in a 2 month period?
     
    LSUsupaFan, Mar 16, 2007
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  9. USMTiger

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    I don't understand your point... Any US Attorney who is fired is fired under a Presidents term. And I still don't know where you are pulling "four" from... Again, every single US Attorney was fired by Clinton when he started office. That's 93 US Attorneys all fired at once by Janet Reno.

    At the end of the day, this whole "scandal", where nothing illegal or unconstitutional was done, is a diversion for Democrats, and a rallying point for Republicans. The Demo's would be better served letting it die and getting back to a winning issue: the war. Rove is seizing upon a fatal flaw for the Democrats: the willingness to try to outdo each other with criticism for Bush over issues that the majority of the public do not really care about. The only ones who are harping this issue are the press and the people who already hate Bush and look for anything to bash him with.

    This whole thing is a perfect example of "Rovian Politics". Emails are surfacing showing Roves involvement. He didn't get someone like George Bush elected President twice if he was a moron.
     
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  10. red55

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    Let me explain it one more time.

    Every president appoints 93 new federal prosecutors when he takes office. He may choose to reappoint some earlier ones, but mostly they appoint their own. These are routine appointments. The former administration's prosecutors were not "fired" for cause, they simply were not reappointed. Clinton appointed 93 prosecutors in 1992 and Bush appointed 93 prosecutors in 2000. This is routine. Understand so far?

    Now, once the federal prosecutors are in office it is very rare to remove one. Very rare and it is usually for obvious causes, not political maneuvering because Congress has oversight of the process. OK?

    So . . . the the Patriot Act comes along which give the executive broad authority to make "emergency" decisions without Congressional approval. Then Karl Rove and Harriet Miers decided this is a good opportunity to appoint poeple loyal to the president rather than to the law, since Congess couldn't intervene. So a memo was sent suggesting that all 93 prosecutors be fired mid term in 2004 and replaced with home boys.

    This was far too blatant, so Gonzalez only fired the eight that they wanted out the worst, including retaliating agianst the prosecutor that jailed republican congressman Randy Cuningham for accepting bribes. All 8 were Bush appointees from 2000 that were upholding the law instead of upholding republicans.

    So Congress is upset that an executive department has abused the Patriot Act for political puposes instead of fighting terrorism. Not only that but the matter was instigated in the White House, not in the Justice Department.

    This business of Clinton having "fired 93 prosecutors" is entirely Karl Rove spin and he's counting on people to be stupid. But they are not. Certainly Congress isn't and they are going to have Gonzalez' head. They've already forced Miers out of the White House and brother Rove is on the hot seat again.

    The neocons have once again put their political party and personal loyalty to George Bush above the national interests of the United States of America.
     
    red55, Mar 16, 2007
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