stealing music, and the future of copyright

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  1. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    yeah the games download is cool, but it does kinda suck in that i could no longer round up my old games and sell them. i wonder how many more generations of consoles will even bother to put out a physical piece of media.

    although perhaps if all games were bought through the console, the loss of used games sales would increase the profits of the game makers, and allow them to reduce prices. so in the end i dont pay much more for the loss of the resale value. the only guy that gets stung is the game retailer.

    i dont see this happening. it simply doesnt take much of an investement to create. now more than ever. a person with talent can spend zero dollars and become a youtube sensation. and you still get famous, even if not rich. and fame gets girls too.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Bullchit. I'd like to see you prove that absurd point. Creators have to make a living at it just like anyone else.
     
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  3. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    yeah but artists only see a fraction from cd and song sales, unless you are some mega star, its the producers and record companies that profit, and then they push the artists to come out with a piece of trash for a second album. The record producers, and labels can all die for all i care, and file sharing is hurting them a whole hell of a lot worse than it is hurting the artists. Trent Reznor is actually giving all his new music away for free because he knows that people will get it for free anyway. If you have time here is a great interview of Trent that goes into the way the sales of music is headed.


    YouTube - Trent Reznor Interview **NEW** April 2009
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Musicians and composers get good royalties from legal sales, don't kid yourself. How about writers? Do you think they should give their books away and earn a living from going around reciting their books?

    It's ridiculous and anti-free market enterprize. Good creative product will always worth quite a bit. Poor creative property should be given away for all anybody cares.

    Your system would give us a Soviet-style music gulag of poor bohemian artists who are content to be poor and bohemian. Collective ownership of music and books is communist. Why do you hate America?
     
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  5. gumborue

    gumborue Throwin Ched

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    please dont tell me youre going to offer to buy him a one-way plane ticket out of the country. :nope:
     
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  6. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    make it amsterdam and sold.

    so red if i let you borrow a book, you are a thief?

    its a new day and age, artists are just going to have to find new ways to profit off of their material.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    No, that is free use. I can listen to your CD, too. The artist has been paid for that product.

    But you can't make a copy of the book, depriving the artist of his pay. Worse is to make multiple copies and share with all your little pirate buddies. Then you deprive him of all of those sales, too. Worse that that is to copy them and sell them to people on the internet, defrauding both the artist and the consumer from thousands of sales.
     
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  8. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    but if i buy something i should be free to share it with whomever i choose.
     
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  9. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    the library question always vexes me.

    recently i have just become sick of storing books. i just dont have any place for them. there are nice to put on the shelf show off how well read you are, but i have outgrown that. now i am trying desperately to give away every book i own. owning books sucks. the library is better.

    so i have a constant queue of books reserved at the library. i am reading like a madman. i am knocking down books left and right. and i pay nothing. not a cent. i dont understand this. how is this fair? i have read maybe 30 books in the last year from the library and paid nothing.

    incidentally, my local library has online reservations and they have every book you can imagine via interlibrary loan, and they have automated checkout. it takes maybe 45 seconds from entering the library to exiting with the book i want, which they have waiting for me on a special shelf. how awesome is that? they even email me to tell me which of my books is ready. and it is just across the street! what a country!

    anyways i digressed there, but i really dont understand why libraries are legal. i havent paid the authors anything.
     
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  10. martin

    martin Banned Forever

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    we agree there. i am only for free distribution of info, not allowing folks to sell stuff.
     
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