stealing music, and the future of copyright

How do you do that? I know, probably a very dumb question.

 

I'll send you a PM.

 

i am pretty sure spreading information about how to disable copy protection is illegal, according to the digital millennium copyright act. so your pm will be illegal.

and to be clear i think creators should maintain the exclusive right to sell, just not distribute.

within a few years i think music will cost more like 10 cents than 99 cents, and music consumption will grow. it will need to be priced at a cost that will make it more convenient than the time spent finding and stealing.

also, like i said, i do not favor stealing video games, because of their production cost, and the fact that not just anyone has the ability to create them, or at least for now they don't.

 

The funny thing is all you have to do is do a google search.
I also find it funny that you can find out how to do or make anything illegal over the internet.

I will take the liberal or moderate viewpoint on this one and stay in the middle meaning I will play both sides.:shock: :lol:

So true, I simply can't believe how expensive cd's and music still is.
That goes for some movies as well, it is rediculous how much money I paid for my James Bond collection five years ago, look at the difference of today.
The free and open market will take care of this including the part where you trade cd collections and movies over the net.

I admit that I don't know what production costs are but I do know that depends on if a game is built from scratch or not.
I'm accusing EA of updating certain games here instead of building from scratch.
I do know that this happens sometimes but yet they charge full price for an update.
I do find prices for 360 games totally outragous.

Look at how cheaply 2K sold their games compared to EA Sports on previous consoles, their games where actually much better than EA's also.

I don't see the difference in movies and video games, really.
Movies, you have to deal with locations, actors salaries, etc but can cut corners with computers.
It seems to me that video games could be cheaper to make because its all in one location and you don't have to pay the high salaries to actors.

Interesting points however.
I think the exact same thing applies here, the open and free market apply here and people who purchase, music, movie, games play a role as well as
those who trade or download for money or for free.

 

clarity accepted. However, in today's market, distribution is sales.

But the video game makers are not harmed by us stealing their products. They have not lost anything. Stealing will only make the industry better because the more people that play the games for free will want to buy them. It's just 1's and 0's - what is different about these 1's and 0's than any other set of them?

 

i am not saying you shouldnt steal games. i am saying i will continue to pay for them because i want to thank and encourage their creators. sure, i could steal games, but it would be a hassle, and i dont feel like dealing with it. i am fine with paying the creators. music is different. it is easy to produce and distribute.

edit: i actually do not know if it is possible to steal 360 games, i guess it isnt. that is fine, bully for them, i will pay. they have defeated the pirates. pc games, of course you can steal those.

i do think that if the relatively poor college kid steals games, he becomes a bigger consumer of games, and will probably buy them in the future. i dont mind buying them.

but i dunno, maybe in the future, people will steal them, and the model will change. like that burger king thing, where they put put 3 games for like 2 dollars. they were ad based games.

and obviously the most expensively produced games are not necessarily the best. i have had more fun with pac-man and tetris than lots of huge 60$ 360 games.

as time passes, my "stealing is good" mantra becomes more true for progressively harder to produce forms of media.

i am willing to pay more for more work. it takes a bunch of smart dudes working their ass off in a an expensive office for a couple years to make a complicated game. a great song can by composed in a day or two for next to nothing.

again, because something is available for free, doesnt mean poeple will not pay for it.

 

ok. we are agreeing to disagree on that.

dude, pink martin would be huge if it wasnt for those ballwashing bastard record companies.

maybe, maybe not. i know steve jobs is pressuring the music companies to remove the drm from the music itunes sells, to make it easier on us and our fair use.

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ - jobs on music

whoever sells hassle free music for really cheap first is gonna get rich.

 

I have a couple of questons on this subject for you all.
1) Why don't these companies go after microsoft the way they go after peer to peer networks after all microsoft's operating system is responsible for ripping discs onto people's hard drives.
It bypasses copy protection the way the illegal rippers do and yet no one says anything about it?

2) Also I have a copy of Smokey and the Bandit on DVD that I purchased from the store.
If I rip the soundtrack from that movie or record it onto my computer and make a movie soundtrack cd out of that is that stealing?
I also have the Pink Floyd DVD that I have ripped into a CD.

 

1. are you talking about music or movies? i think since cds are not copy protected, your windows media player or other ripping software does not have to try and defeat the encryption like it does with dvds. it is explicitly illegal to defeat copy protection, like on a dvd. but cds are not protected in any way.

it is legal and considered "fair use" to make copies of music discs for personal use on a player, you just cannot give me or anyone else a copy if you keep yours.

of course dvds are encrypted with a thing called "CSS", content scrambling system, which was cracked by a kid in norway called "dvd jon". since he figured it out, many programmers have put his crack into their dvd copying programs, like dvdxcopy or dvd shrink (which i use). these programs are defeating a copy protection, and are therefore illegal.

every dvd player that you buy comes with the CSS "key" in the firmware so they can play a copy protected dvd. dvd jon is a linux user, and he wanted to decrypt the dvd so he could write a player for linux. that seems perfectly reasonable, but of course the movie companies are not that excited about it.

2. i think it is illegal to make copies of dvds and copy them onto a cd. what have you done with pink floyd, removed the audio and made a cd of that? or compressed the audio and video and made a vcd? i dont think you are allowed to really do much fooling aorund with dvds. obviously that is ridiculous because there are plenty of perfectly good reasons to copy them. for instance, i am about to get on a train in a few minutes, and i want to watch my indiana jones dvd on my PSP, but i think it is illegal for me to copy my dvd onto my psp. and a portable dvd player is too big i dont want to carry it. i wish they would make it so i could use their products the way i want without being a criminal.

i also love smokey and the bandit, when i was a kid some dude i knew had a car just like the one in the movie, with the big bird or eagle or whatever on the hood, man it was awesome.