Spin-off thread: Your Favorite Conspiracy Theories

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  1. LSUsupaFan

    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    The Great Filter probably eliminates them long before they are able to visit.
    1. The right star system (including organics and potentially habitable planets)
    2. Reproductive molecules (e.g., RNA)
    3. Simple (prokaryotic) single-cell life
    4. Complex (eukaryotic) single-cell life
    5. Sexual reproduction
    6. Multi-cell life
    7. Tool-using animals with big brains
    8. Where we are now
    9. Colonization explosion.
    Any one of those 8 things can eliminate alien life's chance of getting to us before 9 occurs.
     
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    LSUsupaFan Founding Member

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    Maybe they hide to die or bury their dead. I have hunted since I was ten years old, and it is rare to find an animal carcass in the woods. I have hiked probably ten thousand square miles of Rocky Mountain back country and never seen a dead grizzly.
     
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  3. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    There are plenty of historians/filmmakers who believe the opposite. The fact that a. The carriers weren't there, and b. They didn't hit the oil tanks were 2 of the biggest blunders of the war in the pacific.

    Had they hit the oil tanks, the Americans would have had to refuel at Pueget Sound, San Diego, or San Fran.
     
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  4. LaSalleAve

    LaSalleAve when in doubt, mumble

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    I was listening to Dan Carlin talk about the great filter the other day. Fascinating.
     
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    Still, who is to say that there aren't other intelligent beings who evolved in a way we wouldn't even recognize as a life form. Or radically different life forms from humans

    Animals that die are eaten by other animals, birds and insects but there is some remaining bone tissue. If scientists are able to find enough of the remains of bears and other animals why not Bigfeet if they exist?
     
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  6. red55

    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    A hunch, then.

    Can you give me an example? Most ancient people knew more about the stars than most modern people. They watched them every night for there was little else to do. They identified planets, observed comets, recognized solstices, and calibrated calendars.

    Can you give me an example? The world is full of coincidences.

    A classic logical fallacy. The burden of proof is upon the person making the claim.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Lots of people have claimed to have seen it. But lots of people claim to have been abducted by aliens, too. Lots of people claim to be inhabited by Holy Spirits. Popular myths have many claimants, but that is not evidence of anything.

    It does not. Most films are not clear and do not agree with each other as to what Sasquatch looks like. The one clear film has long been challenged as staged.

    Based on what? Human feet? Ape feet? Most casts have been exposed as forgeries. And again they never seem to match other casts.

    Why has no Sasquatch hair, scat, blood, or anything with DNA ever been found. Why has no dead Sasquatch ever been found? Why do they not exists in the fossil record? Why are beasts like this reported all over the world without a single one ever being killed or captured?

    The most rational explanation is that Sasquatch is a common folk tale, akin to the Bogeyman.
     
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    red55 curmudgeon Staff Member

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    Unless they are aliens sent here to fuck with us, they have been evolving for millions of years. Dead ones would have been found if they are as widespread as claimed by folk tales.

    But plenty of dead grizzlies exist for study. So what?
     
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    While nobody can prove one way or another that other worldly beings have visited this planet surely they exist.
    You believe in mathematical odds don't you? Type a 9. Then hold you finger on the 9 key and let it rip. If you do that for a year the number you come up with won't even have scratched the surface of the number of galaxies in the universe. Even if there was intelligent life on only 1 in 100 quintillion star systems intelligent life would still be abundant in the universe.

    What about the travel, you might say. We are limited to the speed of light. As we know it. Who can say that other more advanced beings haven't developed technologies that make the laws of physics as we know them irrelevant? Why they would want to come here if they are so advanced who knows. It would seem like they would have better things to do but we wouldn't understand their motives anyway.
     
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  10. red55

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    Which is really no big deal. Ships are mobile. Even better, we had dozens of tankers bringing fuel to Hawaii every day. The oilers follow the fleet wherever they go and refuel them at sea. The fleet did not spend much time in port in wartime. When they did it was not to refuel. They returned to repair, maintain, and upgrade the ships and replenish crews. The fuel went out to them.

    I know this story has been much repeated, but it has been pretty conclusively debunked.

    Now, failing to find the carrier in port was definitely a tactical blunder, but they still scored a major victory by sinking all of the battleships. If they had caught the carriers in port it would have doubled their haul, but it would have still bought them a world of hurt.

    Their strategic blunder was that they underestimated how America would react and how quickly, what we could bring to the game, and our outraged determination to terminate the Japanese empire unconditionally.
     
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