Specifically, What do you like or dislike about Trump?

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  1. Winston1

    Winston1 Founding Member

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    Yes the left is just as dangerous if not more so. So how do you choose between two similar evil forces
     
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  3. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    The CBP tends to disagree with you
    https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/border-security

    The Wall, including all aspects being implemented (Mexico enforcement, barrier, wait in Mexico asylum policy) are all working together to discourage people from making the decision to try and illegally come to the US. The Wall aspect is particularly effective in dense populated areas like San Diego, necessitating migrants go to unpopulated areas where they are easier to spot and apprehend.

    Collectively, when fewer try, fewer arrive, and the job of apprehension and asylum processing becomes manageable. Less women and girls are raped, less trafficked, less drugs, and less illegal immigration.
     
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    Why do you think a wall wouldn't work? It already is in the areas where there is one. Will it be 100%? Of course not, nothing short of a human link train of soldiers with weapons will do that. Border Patrol wants it because it does work. Can you say Isreal?
     
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  5. onceanlsufan

    onceanlsufan Founding Member

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    The real purpose of the wall is not to physically prevent people from crossing over, it is to decrease the numbers who would even consider coming here illegally. Like ol dumb ass Acosta proved when he was trying to make the opposite point, where there are walls, there is nobody on the other side trying to cross. .... ie walls are doing exactly what they are supposed to do.

    As you said, a line of armed guards with an order to shoot on the spot, there would be NO attempts to cross the border unless the person was committing suicide.
     
  6. Jmg

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    i can say israel, and i can spell it correctly. i have been there. crossed the wall and went to to bethlehem. the wall there is about terrorism and security, to stop folks from driving in bombs and weapons. its not about stopping immigration. its also much much shorter and heavily armed in a way our wall would never be. when mexico is a volatile politlcally as the west bank or gaza, i will favor sending the army and shooting people near the border.

    longer walls dont work. a 400 meter long wall around a jail stops folks. a 500 mile wall in the desert is not as useful.
     
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  7. Jmg

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    at least one writer for them does. so be it. i can stand to be disagreed with.

    the other aspects you mention are far more effective. asylum policy reform would be huge. ending birthright citizenship. deporting more people. cracking down on illegal hiring. making sanctuary cities illegal. no free anything, including education for illegals.

    also, unlike basically everywhere else, the US does not do passport control on exit. so we have no idea if anyone is overstaying their visas. thats weird. everywhere else, when you leave the country you get an exit stamp and they know you left and if you were there legally.

    if we deported everyone that even got pulled over for speeding, that would fix the problem. but we let them go.

    walls dont work, you can can climb them or walk around them or under them. the border is too long.
     
  8. mctiger

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    There's really no historic precedent for saying that. The only example would be the Great Wall of China, which historians say was mostly effective, but that's a military judgement. This article from Randblog supports @onceanlsufan and @dachsie point that a wall is a deterrant, though not perfect.
    https://www.rand.org/blog/2019/01/what-border-walls-can-and-cannot-accomplish.html

    A USA Today article says there are 77 border walls around the world , and quotes a professor who thinks they are mostly good PR, but offers no statistics to prove they are either effective or useless. Given USA Today's left-lean, I would bet that's because it doesn't want to concede that they do work.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...alls-berlin-wall-donald-trump-wall/553250002/
     
  9. Jmg

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    tunnels are easy to dig. especially along a wall that is hundreds of miles. plus there are areas that will never be walled because they are considered "natural barriers". thats like really rough mountains and deserts and shit. people walk in. people have ropes and ladders. its easy. el chapo got tunneled out from a high security jail.

    there are many easy steps (ending sanctuary cities etc) that can be done that are more effective than a wall.

    there are lots of illegals that are fine, work at your favorite restaurant during the day, and watch chivas vs cruz azul soccer games at night. working hard, being good folks. those guys wouldnt be removed from sanctuary cities, because they are never picked up by cops. ending sanctuary cities sends the bad illegals home, and the friendly gardeners get to stay. thats an effective policy. the wall is a waste of money.
     
  10. dachsie

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    But you have to have a Congress willing to do that and we never will. The Berlin Wall was pretty effective
     

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