The courts recently confirmed that what the government was doing was illegal, yet Snowden is still wanted for crimes. Will be interesting to see if Trump pardons him and others.

no idea what that has to do with anything

We killed hundreds of thousands because we as a nation thought it best for the rest of the population. Not much more of an extreme real life representation of the bold you will ever find.

i was referring to doing something wrong or unethical like lying, not doing something super right like winning a war

Really the next paragraph down you where talking about killing people over political philosophy. That is what most wars are about.

Is taking power in your example not war? Even if internal war?

My point I was making is that we as a society have ALREADY rationalized killing in the name of "insert philosophy doctrine here".

i was referring to doing something wrong or unethical like lying, not doing something super right like winning a war

Your assumption is that all lies are bad. Telling a woman who asks if this dress makes her look fat yes because it's true is a major no no with no happy ending for you

in an ideal world our leaders wouldnt treat us like a petty woman

but i get it. some of you here were pleased when trump threatened the freedom of social media and it worked for him politically even though i think trump knew it was bullshit.

the lefty example is politicians that favor high min wage even though every economist will tell its destructive. so they are either lying and dont really favor it, or are favoring things they know to be terrible purely because they want power.

It's the last one

You can’t discount that some of them are so ignorant/stupid they don’t understand