Soviet Union survivor: President spits in face of every U.S. citizen

I'm glad that you decided to obey my direction.

 

I think everyone already knows that. But, if your interpretations are accurate (which I don't think they are), where is the line drawn? Which religious practices or relics should the government endorse and which ones should they ignore? And which religions make the cut? Because, you know, if you say 'just christianity,' then you are proposing the establishment of a religion. And why are republicans, a party who supposedly favors smaller government, so concerned with what religious practices are endorsed by the government? What bearing does that have on anyone whatsoever? In the immortal words of martin 'You are still free to practice your sorcery.'

Really? You honestly believe that degradation of social norms can be directly and solely attributed to the separation of church and state?

 

How so? I was not aware of any laws that were repealed and resulted in mass moral turpitude. Some blue laws got repealed, but I don't think the fact that I can now buy liquor on Sundays made any kids go shoot up any schools. Nor did the fact that then 10 commandments aren't in the courthouse. Religion is a personal decision, and should be enforced and practiced at home or on one's own time, not by the government or with public funding.

 

I for one do not think the two are one in the same. Here is an example. Schools cannot offer prayer in the morning. For a time they got by this by offering a period of silence which allowed students to pray if they chose or just sit in silence. This is also no longer allowed. How is a state church established by allowing students a moment of time to pray in silence? It endorses no particular sect or creed. It offers student a chance to pray to Jesus, Muchmed, Satan, or the Spaghetti Monster, or to sit and think about cartoons, myspace, or the most recent Bach Social.

Sticking to the example of the public display of the ten commandments... Which religion does that endorse? Judaism? Catholicism? Orthodox Christianity? One of the more than thirty thousand protestant denominations? You realize Muslims also ascribe to the ten commandments? So how does this endorse a particular creed?

If the laws are not based on the commandements, and the indicted is being judged by their compliance on the laws not based on the commandments what is compromised. It could be the ten commandments, the Hamurabi code, or some tenents of wicca, if they have no bearing on the accused how could some one logically feel like their rights are impaired. Remember the accused is judged with his compliance with the state's law not with any relgions. The display is a window dressing.

It doesn't. I just think their presence in a court is an incredibly stupid thing for people to get in such a tizzy over. I have no problem if any of the new courts don't have them. I just thing it is stupid to waste so much time and money to have them removed.

No it doesn't. You yourself have stated multiple times that state laws are wholly independent of the 10 commandments. Which is it?

You realize the Ten Commandments come from the Torah right? And no I don't mind some religion in my government. I don't care which one. I just don't want to be forced to practice a religion other than my own.

I absolutely don't want my or any other religion endorsed by the government. I don't think nativity scenes, public prayer, or commandments in court rooms equate to that.

Furthermore...Constitution establishes:

So given this, the athiests seem to have no arguement. The first amendment does not give anyone total freedom from religion.

 

I can give you one example. There has been a proportionate rise in divorce and abortion with the rise in use of the birth control pill. So the societal norm of two parent families has dimminished.

 

So how does the Supreme Court, which Justices are sworn to uphold the Constitution, determine that children should not be allowed to pray in class?

 

Isnt it ironic that justices, judges, citizens and even the PRESIDENT are sworn into office on the BIBLE?

 

Simple, they make it a living, breathing constitution through interpretation or disregard it altogether.
I don't believe Obama plans to uphold the constitution, I believe he wants to write his own by destroying capitalism and making America a socialist country.