and how do you know that those unemployed folks haven't paid for their unemployment bennies? Or any other entitlements their collecting on. The entitlement abusers are very few, as a percentage. Most are collecting short term.

I just didn't want to say welfare. Obama appealed to the have nots and they turned out en masse to vote for him. They typically don't vote because they don't give a ****. This time they did.

it took a lot more than the "losers" coming out to vote, kemosabe.

maybe if the republican president, congress, and judicial hadn't left the country in a shambles, they wouldn't have got their asses whipped so bad.

That's where you are missing the point. I'm not referring to polls at the end of a presidency. My entire post was in reference to elections. Elections happen at the beginning. For any of them to get elected they have to be popular.

I agree. I would never knowingly debate politics with someone who doesn't vote...their opinion doesn't matter. My point is, a lot of people figured they were screwed either way. To a large number of the population, neither candidate was suitable to serve as president. It gets really old constantly having to choose between the lesser of two evils.

Satly, we agree here, too many extremes. Moderates are rare and it seems, hardly electable.

Well, if you want to go that route, then you would HAVE to agree with me about Bush, being as he didn't even win the popular vote in 2000. Obama won the popular vote by 7%, whereas Bush only finished with a 1.5% margin over Kerry. So, one could assert that Obama is much more popular than Bush could have ever dreamed of being.

And the fact that democrats basically won total control as the repubs did in 2004 further proves my point that 2008 was a referendum on failed republican policies.

Don't be mad at me, democrats, or anyone else that voted for Obama. Be mad at your own party for losing it's way.